PORTER COUNTY PLAN COMMISSION

Regular Meeting
January 9, 2008

M I N U T E S

The regular meeting of the Porter County Plan Commission was held on January 9, 2008 at 6:30 p.m. in the Porter County Administration Center, 155 Indiana Avenue, Valparaiso, Indiana.

Those members present were Rick Burns, Kevin Breitzke, Tim Cole, Robert Detert, Todd Hutson, Elizabeth Marshall, Herb Read, Rita Stevenson and Commissioner Robert Harper, President. Staff members present were Robert W. Thompson Jr., Attorney Scott McClure, Raymond S. Joseph Jr. and Patricia Gibson.

Mr. Detert moved to continue the approval of the minutes for the December 12, 2007 Plan Commission meeting.  Mr. Cole seconded the motion, which carried on a unanimous voice vote.

Election of Officers:

Mr. Detert moved to nominate Commissioner Harper for president.  Mr. Burns seconded the motion.

Mr. Detert moved to close the nomination for president and vote unanimously for Commissioner Harper.  Mrs. Stevenson seconded the motion, which carried on a unanimous voice vote.

Mr. Burns moved to nominate Mr. Detert for vice-president.   Mr. Breitzke seconded the motion.

Ms. Marshall moved to nominate Mr. Cole for vice-president.  Mr. Cole seconded the motion.

The nominations were then closed.

Motion to approve Mr. Detert as vice president carried on a 6-3 roll call vote.

Mr. Detert moved to appoint Robert W. Thompson Jr. as Executive Director and Scott McClure as attorney.  Mr. Hutson seconded the motion, which carried on a 9-0 roll call vote.

Mr. Burns moved to nominate Mr. Detert to the Porter County Board of Zoning Appeals.  Mr. Breitzke seconded the motion.

The nominations were then closed.

Motion to approve Mr. Detert as Plan Commission representative to the Board of Zoning Appeals carried on a unanimous voice vote.

Case 08-DP-1.  Petition of East Porter County School Corp., 502 E. College Ave., Kouts, Indiana, for a development plan review for Morgan Township Elementary/Middle/High School for a proposed addition to be located at 299 S. SR 49, Valparaiso, Indiana.

Jeff Oltmanns, Kenn Kraus, Carl Baxmeyer and Rod Gartin, Superintendent of East Porter County Schools, stated that they are representing the petitioner in this matter.

Mr. Thompson stated that they have gone through Development Advisory Committee review and were informed at the December 28th DAC hearing that they must have packets out to the Plan Commission members at least 10 days prior to the meeting.  They also had some DLZ items to satisfy.  They also went to the Porter County BZA and received a Variance on the storm water ordinance on a few items.  They agreed to keep all development and all hard surfaces into the storm water system, adhering to our code.  They have a letter from DLZ that says it appears that they meet the Porter County storm water ordinance.

Commissioner Harper asked when the members got what.

Mr. Thompson stated that the members got the DLZ reports today in front of them.

Commissioner Harper asked if he knows if the packets went out late.

Mr. Thompson stated that if they mailed them out when they were informed at the Dec. 28th DAC meeting they should have been to the members on time.

Commissioner Harper stated that he thinks before they start considering this, they should decide if they are going to consider it tonight or if they want more time to review the material.

Mr. Read stated that DLZ raised a number of questions and, in the documents that he got, the latest DLZ response was not included.  They accepted almost everything that was answered properly and made notice of the BZA action. However, they say in the report that the design details and pond modification provided in Document 2 should be included with the construction plans and a new set should be provided to the Plan Commission and DLZ for their files.  He has no objection to taking it up tonight, but he just wanted to bring that up.

Commissioner Harper asked if he is sure he wants to go ahead tonight.

All members assented.

Mr. Thompson stated that the Variance they received from the BZA was for a few other items other than the storm water ordinance and the petitioners can explain that.  This is not a public hearing because, under the code, since they were in front of the BZA with the same petition at a public hearing for the Variances, when they come to the Plan Commission and DAC, this comes under pending business.

Mr. Read stated that in the DAC minutes there were several items relating to fire doors and sprinklers which hadn’t been settled at the time it came before DAC. Where do those stand?

Mr. Thompson stated that he believes that the plans are currently down at the state fire marshal for review and they’ve agreed that those items were in accordance with the state fire marshal’s and building fire code.

Mr. Read asked, if the state fire marshal says to make a change, will they do so?

Mr. Baxmeyer stated that they are bound to adhere to whatever the state fire marshal says.  He misspoke at the DAC meeting when he was asked if the addition is going to be sprinkled and he said yes.  He was wrong.  That relates to the project that they have in Kouts.  This is not going to be sprinkled.

Mr. Read asked if there was also a matter of the fire door/exit.

Mr. Baxmeyer stated that there was a question of if the fire door met the minimum standards and, in their architect’s opinion, it does.  That’s one of the things that the fire marshal has to review.  If another fire door is required it will be installed and added to the plans.

Mr. Oltmanns, Fanning Howey Associates, 305 E. Dunn Rd., New Carlisle, IN, stated that they went through DAC and the BZA.  The Variances that they obtained were for fencing and parking lot area in the front yard.  All the Variances they sought were approved by the BZA.  As they’ve gone through the Plan Commission, they’ve adhered to all the drainage standards and comments made during those meetings.  Mr. Kraus has been in contact with Tony Kenning at DLZ to make sure they’ve adhered to their comments, and their latest report says that they have.  They will supply file documents for each.

Mr. Kraus, 526 Franklin Square, Michigan City, IN, stated that when they presented the petitions at the BZA for some Variances for some of the drainage things, those things were basically…they wanted not to have to touch areas where they are not going to be putting in any improvements, and those areas are basically East of all the impervious surfaces – the baseball field, softball diamond, the little soccer play area – that naturally drain off to the East and into Ahlgrim Ditch.  They were not anticipating having to capture any runoff water from those areas, but they did promise to catch all of the water on all of the new impervious surfaces, including the parking lot in front of the building and all the new roof areas.  All those areas will drain into a storm sewer that can conduct that water into the existing detention basin.  They answered all of DLZ’s comments in their first letter and gave them a second submittal to review.  On Friday, they completed that review and had one more question, that being about the detention basin and water quality issues, so they sent them a sketch of what they are going to do the following Monday, and that’s why the Plan Commission members didn’t get a letter from DLZ until dated yesterday.  They wanted some clarification on how they were going to handle the forebay and water quality before it discharges into the ditch.  All the calculations that they gave them the first time were all okay.  The second round answered the 16 points that DLZ had, plus the BZA gave them Variances for the last three items and then Friday he had the one question about what they were going to do about water quality and the detention basin, which was answered by the sketch that they sent to them.   Once DLZ was satisfied with that, they wrote the letter saying that they had met all the requirements in the ordinance for drainage.

Mr. Oltmanns stated that one comment that came up in the technical review was that they make sure they present the need for…basically what the scope of the project was, giving numbers on the building additions for the school, some of the population increases.  The study that was done was for 2010-2011 for the population growth for the school, based on different figures for housing communities that are coming into the area that would be the district.  The building capacity will increase to hold 336 elementary, 180 middle and 309 high school students, which was the basis for their building additions.  The increase would have put the school over capacity for current classroom sizes.

Mr. Breitzke stated that he really appreciates the agreement to move the driveway. There was a conflict very close to the intersection of the roads.  They agreed to signage and that type of thing. This water goes back into Ahlgrim Ditch, eventually.  They’ve got maintenances scheduled for the ditch, which is in fairly good shape.  Overall, there were concerns about fire protection.  He thinks it was urged to go ahead and install the plumbing for fire protection, but there would be a great cost to the school if there is no extension of water supply.  He still thinks it would be a good idea, but that’s a school board decision and the fire marshal’s decision.

Ms. Marshall stated that in the packet they indicated that this was only going to increase the school by one classroom, and the rest is going to be administration.  She’s never been in that school.  Are the administration offices in there, too, and are they being converted into classrooms?

Mr. Oltmanns stated that they were referring to one wing that was going to be classrooms and that was the extension to the East and South.  That was a new elementary wing.  Some current existing classrooms are being converted and established as a new administration area.  The current school is in this location here and the new addition to the East and coming South is the new classroom addition. 

There is also a middle school addition in this area, here.  There are some existing classrooms within that are going to be renovated, but because they see the growth coming more heavily into the elementary side that the new wing that is being proposed is mostly elementary and the existing elementary school classrooms are being upgraded to middle school and high school as the population shifts, so the extent of the additions is an elementary addition to the East.  Most of the space within is being renovated.

Ms. Marshall stated that she understands that they are planning to start construction very soon.

Mr. Oltmanns stated that it will probably be late spring.  The documents will be going out to bid within the next two weeks.

Ms. Marshall asked what the figure is that they are projecting for new students by 2016.

Mr. Baxmeyer stated that the projection is for about 800 students by 2016.  Since 2000, the population has increased from 571 to 689 this year.

Mr. Read stated that trying to manage water on basically flat terrain is trickier than something that has clearly defined ravines and heights.  Are they confident that the enlarged basin will take care of a rain that they had.

Mr. Kraus stated that the design for the detention forebays and micropools is for a 100-year storm event, and the flood route will take the water across the parking lot into the detention basins.  Whatever the pipe doesn’t carry, the overland route will carry water into the same basin.  There is a forebay that takes basically the first flush, so any trash that is on the parking lot that gets washed into the storm sewer will get captured in the forebay.  In the forebay there is a wall where the water will seep through a riprap and gravel area into the rest of the detention area.  As it drains down through a 6-inch orifice, it dumps into Ahlgrim.  Once it gets below that level, there is a 2-inch level that’s in the micropool and that will drain that.  That will take 24 hours to drain and that lets all the silts and sediments that are captured in there settle down into a sump that’s below that pipe area.  All the water that lands on impervious surfaces on the site will end up in the detention basin and the water will be treated before being released into Ahlgrim Ditch.

Mr. Read asked where the highest water table on the site would be.

Mr. Kraus stated that he believes it was something like 3 feet below the bottom of the basin.  All the storm sewers are higher than that basin.  They shouldn’t be into the water table.

Mr. Read asked where the sewage goes.

Mr. Oltmanns stated that there is a treatment plant out there onsite.   The plant is to the Southeast of the existing detention basin.

Mr. Read asked if they have taken the capacity of that into consideration for this addition.  How many more people are going to be there?

Mr. Baxmeyer stated, 120 more than currently.

Mr. Read asked if the package treatment plant will take that.

Mr. Oltmanns stated that it’s his understanding that it will.

Mr. Read asked if the school owns the treatment plant.

Mr. Gartin stated that it does.

Mr. Cole stated that he was disappointed when he heard there were no bike racks at the school for students.   He would hope that they encourage students to be as energetic as possible, encouraging walking and riding to school.

Mr. Gartin stated that there are homes along 300 S.  He has children of his own that do not attend this school and he wouldn’t trust them to ride along that road because of the fast traffic.  There really isn’t enough area for kids to get away from a car going that fast.  There is bus transportation and they don’t encourage walking, either, because there are no sidewalks.  There is a safety issue.   They encourage their students to go out during recess to get exercise, but he would be concerned about the safety of riding bikes along that road or SR 49.

Mr. Cole stated that, in essence, he would probably agree, but there are also adults who might attend after-school activities.

Mr. Gartin stated that if they need a bike rack for adults, they can look at their community to see what the need is.

Mr. Cole stated that he would like them to consider that more seriously than they have so far.

Mr. Hutson asked, if 300 S. was shut off, are there adequate emergency entrances and exits on the North side of the building for buses?

Mr. Oltmanns stated, yes.  Currently the buses do come in from the North side off of 49 and come around the North side of the school and stack along the current front entrance.  The parking lot kind of makes an L shape there.  The school felt for safety and traffic flow and to separate bus and car traffic and the buses will now come off of 300 and then stack on the South side of the building.  The existing route will stay intact.

Mr. Hutson asked what the deal is with the fire door.

Mr. Baxmeyer stated that the question was raised at the DAC meeting about if they needed another fire door.  Mr. Haller was questioning the length of the corridor and their reading of the code is that it’s not, but that’s why you submit it to the state fire marshal.  If he feels it’s needed, it will be installed.

Mr. Hutson asked if they increased the number of handicapped spaces.

Mr. Oltmanns stated that they are adding three more handicapped spaces.  The area that’s just North, where that L is, is being re-striped for more handicapped spaces.

Mr. Hutson asked if they have additional room for buses.

Mr. Oltmanns stated that they do.  They currently have six buses, and they have shown space for 10 to 12. 

Mr. Hutson asked if they have an open classroom area where the new and old areas join.

Mr. Oltmanns stated that that will be open for a courtyard.

Commissioner Harper asked why they needed a Variance from the BZA.

Mr. Thompson stated, parking in the front yard, the fence.

Commissioner Harper asked why they needed a Variance for the drainage.

Mr. Thompson stated that our code states that on this whole property they were supposed to collect it and route all water into their storm water management system.  In this case, since the baseball fields and the small soccer field sloped gradually towards Ahlgrim Ditch.  With the grass area, what they wanted to do is continue that instead of meeting the code. 

Commissioner Harper asked, it’s not going on a neighbor’s land, it’s going into a defined waterway.

Mr. Thompson stated that it’s not going onto a neighbor.

Ms. Marshall stated that they were rather vague about the treatment plant, in her opinion.  What is the capacity, and do they have to return to the Indiana Regulatory Commission because they are adding to it?

Mr. Baxmeyer stated that the permit that’s granted states a certain level of discharge for each plant, and the rating of that is below the actual capacity and enrollment.  Since they are not going to exceed what the permit allows, there is no need to go back.

Ms. Marshall asked if they have an operator that checks on the quality.

Mr. Gartin stated that they have a state-certified operator who takes daily samples from the plant and reports those to IDEM monthly.

Ms. Marshall stated she thinks engineers should go to the 200-year storm event now.  Where does the package plant discharge?

Mr. Gartin stated that the sewage treatment plant has a polishing pond.  After the sewage goes into the treatment plant and is treated, then it goes to the polishing pond where it further filters, and then eventually discharges into Ahlgrim Ditch.

Ms. Marshall asked how long the treatment plant has been there.

Mr. Gartin stated that he doesn’t know.

Mr. Breitzke moved to approve Case 08-DP-1.  Mr. Detert seconded the motion.

Discussion:

Mr. Breitzke stated that Mr. Cole brought up bike racks.  There is a NIRPC grant with the Ped and Pedal grants and he hopes they avail themselves of it.

Motion to approve Case 08-DP-1 carried on a 9-0 voice vote.

At this time, Mr. Hutson left the meeting.

Commissioner Harper stated that he’d like to hear from the people who were here for the interviews for a recommendation to go through the Commissioners and then to the Council for the corridor study and construction standards.

Mr. Burns stated that he was impressed with Ratio because of their professional presentation and their track record, and they are very knowledgeable about Porter County.

Commissioner Harper asked how many applicants there are for the corridor plan and did they all apply for both.

Mr. Thompson stated that some submitted separately for the construction standards.

Mr. Breitzke stated that all the firms are uniquely qualified. As far as presentation, Ratio might have been the strongest.  His preference is American Structure Point because they are engineers.  He likes the pairing of URS/DLZ, but particularly DLZ for the construction standards.  He would probably go for Ratio or American Structure Point for the study and American Structure Point or DLZ for the standards and specification.  Is it the intent to combine the two together, though, at this time?

Commissioner Harper stated that he thinks we can go with whatever recommendation we make.

Ms. Stevenson stated that Ratio blew the others out of the water.  She liked the display that they showed and they are aggressive, energetic and explained a lot of Porter County compared to other neighboring counties and how it also differs from around Chicago.  She is totally for Ratio.

Mr. Read stated that we could separate the corridor from the standards.  On the corridor study, he prefers American Structure Point because they leaned more heavily on environmental standards, but he’s willing to go along with any of them.

Mr. Cole stated that he would agree with Ms. Stevenson that Ratio outperformed the rest and were more specific about Porter County.   He also agrees that they weren’t that strong on the standards.  He was divided between Structure Point and DLZ regarding the standards. 

Mr. Burns moved to recommend Ratio for the corridor study and DLZ for construction standards. Mr. Breitzke seconded the motion.

Discussion:

Mr. Thompson stated that with the construction standards, DLZ is pretty much going to have to wait to come in on some of these things until Ratio is done with their report and the Plan Commission approves it before they will be able to come in with the construction standards totally. 

Commissioner Harper asked if there are going to be many construction standards that will not be dependent on the corridor study.

Mr. Thompson stated, yes.

Mr. Breitzke stated that DLZ is currently working with the storm water ordinance and that’s why he is leaning towards them because he thinks they have a flavor of what we are looking for.

Motion to recommend Ratio for the corridor study carried on an 8-0 roll call vote.

Motion to recommend DLZ for the construction standards carried on an 8-0 roll call vote.

Commissioner Harper stated that this will have to go in front of the Commissioners for their vote, then on to the County Council once we have some prices.

Mr. Thompson stated that this will go to the Commissioners on January 22nd and before the County Council at their February meeting.

Commissioner Harper stated that he would like to see Mr. Burns and Ms. Stevenson attend the Commissioners’ meeting regarding this.

Ms. Stevenson stated that they stated that they were involved with the Sedley Road Bridge and also the Kankakee basin, so that was important.

Commissioner Harper stated that he thought DLZ was working on the storm water ordinance; where are we at on that.

Mr. Thompson stated that he recently got an email from Tony Kenning at DLZ saying that he has the manual 99 percent done and is hoping to have it done next week.  Regarding the storm water ordinance, he’s been working with Mr. Kenning and Mr. McClure on this and has drafted language.  There are going to be some changes.  Originally, in the ordinance, it talks about waiver at the Plan Commission.  Due to a recent appellate court case with Clarksville, IN, we have to send everything to the BZA if they are waivering.  He is going to have to change the waiver language back over to Variance and explain it to the BZA.  That should be ready by the February meeting.

Mr. Breitzke stated that the storm water manual had storm water quality in it.  What they are looking to do is tweak it and do some additional improvements to it. 

At this time, Commissioner Harper stated that we were going to have a document that clearly told everyone what they needed to have to everybody before the meeting.

Mr. Thompson stated that Raymond Joseph had that out to everyone as far as the primary plat at the last meeting, and it was approved.  The secondary plat application is similar to the primary, but other things added clearly, in bold letters, is that the petitioner shall send all documentation that was sent with the primary plat to the Plan Commission members along with the secondary plat documentation.  So, it is clearly noted on the application.

Commissioner Harper asked does any member have any additions on what is needed for the preliminary plat or do you see anything that is missing that needs to be in it.

Mr. Cole stated I have gone over it and I am in agreement on what is there.  What is missing has not occurred to me.

Ms. Marshall stated I haven’t gone over it but I do have it.

Mr. Burns stated I have one question on the mechanism.  Is the staff going to sign off on each line item?

Mr. Thompson stated we have a check list going on what is suppose to be sent to the members.

Commissioner Harper stated I suggest that at the start of every meeting before we go through all of these things we ask if anything is missing from any of these plans that we have set for tonight.  If anything is missing, take a vote right then if we are going to hear it or not.

Mr. Detert stated I agree.

Mr. Burns stated we spoke last year about our back-up engineering company.  Are we still going to use Armstrong for back-up?

Mr. Thompson stated there was a third company that everybody did like and that was the Christopher Burke Engineering Ltd. Company.  There specialty is storm water.

Mr. Burns asked should we nominate or agree to have a second company for back-up in case we need it for 2008.

Mr. Breitzke stated I would agree to that but maybe not eliminate Armstrong but give them another chance.  At the same time, I think that the next time we do something we should go through Burke.  Burke specializes in storm water management.

Mr. Burns moved to have Christopher Burke Engineering Company to be the second back-up for storm water review and R. W. Armstrong Engineering Company third back-up for storm water review.  Mr. Breitzke seconded the motion, which carried on a unanimous roll call vote.

Mr. Detert stated Mr. Cole would like to say something on the Rose Ann Gray property.

Mr. Cole stated I am concerned on not much progress has been done in addressing her drainage problems.  Where do we stand on resolving her issues of drainage?

Mr. Breitzke stated first of all the only way she had an outlet was to do something down at the lower end.  That is where the water went.  At one time, Mrs. Gray said that we could come onto her land and the next time she says we can’t. 

Commissioner Harper asked how do we solve the problem of the water running onto Mrs. Gray’s property from the east.

Mr. Breitzke stated her issue as I understand it is the sump water and the water discharge from the downspouts.

Commissioner Harper stated I think her issue is water coming onto her property from the east.

Mr. Breitzke stated is down hill from the other property and ideally it would be putting the tile just inside her fence, run a trench and run some more structures along the property.  That would be the catch area in there and that is typically where the water runs out from her property and also from her house down hill and a little bit from the east. 

Commissioner Harper stated I understand that.  You can put a drain through her property? 

Mr. Breitzke stated yes.

Commissioner Harper asked how long would it take to do that once you have the okay?

Mr. Breitzke stated with weather permitting not long at all.  We could probably do it at the February Drainage Board meeting.

Commissioner Harper asked Commissioner Knoblock if Mrs. Gray is willing to let this happen.

Commissioner Knoblock stated yes she already told me that it was okay.

Mr. Breitzke stated she did but afterwards she said no.

Commissioner Harper asked are you prepared to do that?

Mr. Breitzke stated yes.

Commissioner Harper stated you have the money.

Mr. Breitzke stated no, we don’t have the money.

Commissioner Harper asked where is the money going to come to do this?

Mr. Breitzke stated that is a good question.

Commissioner Harper asked what kind of money are we talking about?

Mr. Breitzke stated we are probably talking about less than $10,000.

Commissioner Harper stated I thought that the subdivider had agreed to take care of some of these problems. 

Mr. Breitzke stated he is willing to participate once he knows what the numbers are and for us to know what the numbers are we know where we are going to put it.

Commissioner Harper stated if Carol goes out and talks to her and says that the County is committed to get this fixed and to spend the money and do the bids can we get it going then?

Mr. Breitzke stated yes.

Commissioner Harper asked is that going to fix her problem?

Mr. Breitzke stated I would think so, yes.

Commissioner Harper stated here is another thing that I remember about that that bothers me in a way.  We had that meeting on that subdivision and at that meeting they were contending that the water wasn’t going over the curbs and so forth in the subdivision when big rains came.  The meeting ended and then some people in the audience brought pictures up clearly showing the water going over the curbs.  What have we done about that?

Mr. Breitzke stated that was part of the fix on the subdivision where we have the storm line in now. 

Commissioner Harper asked what is the subdivider going to do about this?

Mr. Breitzke stated I just contacted him last week about this.

Commissioner Harper stated this was a year and a half ago.  What did he say he was going to do about that?

Mr. Breitzke stated he said he would participate.

Commissioner Harper stated I am not talking about Rose Gray now.  I am talking about the guy…

Mr. Breitzke stated I talked to him about that too.

Commissioner Harper stated he created the problem. Did we approve a drainage plan that doesn’t work in that subdivision or did he not follow the drainage plan?

Mr. Breitzke stated I don’t have the answer to that.

Commissioner Harper stated if he didn’t follow the drainage plan I think that we should be finding out and talking to our attorney about bringing some action.

Mr. Breitzke stated part of the issue goes back to what we introduced since in the backyard drainage. We are dealing with landscaping issues where people fill in the back swales.

Commissioner Harper stated are you telling me he followed the drainage plan and it doesn’t work.  One of the two things happened.

Mr. Breitzke stated it is a combination of the two.

Commissioner Harper stated if he didn’t follow the drainage plan in certain ways I think we should take some action.  How do we find out the answer to that?

Mr. Thompson stated like Kevin was saying in some of those cases concerning the drainage easements people have actually built fences in the drainage easements so it would be taking action against some of the citizens.

Commissioner Harper asked is that what is causing this water going over the curb and …

At this time, Mr. Breitzke explained how the water traveled to the subdivision and through the subdivision.

Mr. Breitzke stated we have removed that element of it so we have removed a substantial quantity of the water that was coming that way.

Commissioner Harper asked has anyone gone out to check with the neighbor to see how he is doing now.

Mr. Breitzke stated yes.  He still wants it reduced more because he is concerned about water going over the top of the sidewalk and icy conditions of the sidewalk.  His driveway is kind of down sloped between the two houses so the water runs across the corner of his driveway and the sidewalk.  That is what we are working on now. 

Ms. Marshall asked is this developer Rick Carlson?

Mr. Breitzke stated yes.

Ms. Marshall stated I think he has a problem in Sagamore Subdivision also.  In the past couple days if you went down CR 100 N. there was such a large amount of water coming through there.

Mr. Burns stated I suggest that we get the developer back here in front of us again.

Ms. Marshall stated I think that we need to have the drainage plans too.

Mr. Burns asked can we have a rough estimate on how much these drains are going to cost?

Mr. Breitzke stated yes.

Mr. Burns asked should we have DLZ look at these plans or have the second company look at them?

Mr. Breitzke asked who is going to pay the bill?  Isn’t it cheaper just to fix the problem.

Mr. Thompson stated our next meeting will be February 13 and the reason being the second meeting in January we have no business so it has been canceled. 

There being no further business, the meeting adjourned at 7:50 p.m.

PORTER COUNTY
PLAN COMMISSION

S/ Robert P. Harper, President

Attest: Robert W. Thompson Jr. AICP, Executive Director/County Planner