fPORTER COUNTY COUNCIL
May 25, 2004

The Porter County Council met on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 at 7:00 p.m. in the County Administration Center, 155 Indiana - Suite 205, Valparaiso, Indiana.

Members present were Karen Conover, Carole Knoblock, Robert Poparad, John Ruge, Al Steele, Rita Stevenson, and President William Carmichael. Also present was Auditor staff members, Judy Ruben and Sharon Fekete, Jan Noll, and Attorney David Hollenbeck.

The meeting was called to order with the Pledge of Allegiance.

Mr. Carmichael, Okay, you've all received a copy of the minutes from the March 23rd meeting and the April 27th meeting. What's your pleasure?

Mr. Poparad moved to approve the minutes of March 23, 2004 and April 27, 2004 as received. Mrs. Stevenson seconded, motion carried unanimously.

FIRST READING

Ms. Rubens read the Notice to Taxpayers.

Mrs. Knoblock, Can I ask a question? On the general fund, we have $87,328.

Ms. Noll, They withdrew the $1,000 one.

Ms. Rubens, Yes.

Mrs. Knoblock, Oh, okay.

Mr. Carmichael, Alright, thank you very much.

RESCINDING HIRING FREEZE

ASSESSOR REASSESSMENT 08.09
144 Form
Data Entry Clerk from $0 to $20,355 - Request withdrawn
Additional Appropriation
$20,335 to 1110 Salaries - Request withdrawn
$1,556 to FICA - Request withdrawn
$1,068 to 1230 PERF - Request withdrawn
$35,000 to 3950 Contractual Services
$1,128 to 1110 Salaries
$33,000 to 3730 Lease Purchase
$25,000 to 1120 Hourly
$5,000 to 4510 Data Processing Equipment

Mr. Carmichael, The Assessor. Is Shirley here?

Shirley LaFever, Good evening.

Mr. Carmichael, Good evening, Shirley.

Mr. Poparad, Bill, can I go?

Mr. Carmichael, Yes, you have something.

Mr. Poparad, Shirley, I need to apologize to you and your staff for the comments I made the last meeting, they were pitiful, so I extend an apology to you guys...

Mrs. LaFever, I accept your apology.

Mr. Poparad, In the heat of the moment there.

Mrs. LaFever, I accept your apology on behalf of my office staff that's here tonight. Thank you, Bob.

Mr. Poparad, And on that note. Can I get, I just want to say one more thing.

Mr. Carmichael, Certainly.

Mr. Poparad, I think we, I overreacted last meeting with the hiring freeze. So I'm going to make a motion to rescind the hiring freeze that we instituted at the last meeting. I think it was not appropriate for circumstances.

Mr. Poparad moved to rescind his motion regarding the hiring freeze, which stated that all departments were to appear before the Council for their approval before hiring.

Mr. Carmichael, Is there a second?

Mr. Poparad, I want it to go back the way it was, you know, if you have a vacant position, that position becomes vacant, they can fill it.

Mrs. Conover seconded.

Mr. Carmichael, A motion and a second. Further discussion?

Mr. Steele, I have a question.

Mr. Carmichael, Question.

Mr. Steele, I understand they can fill that position, but do they have to come and notify us of who has left, and who the new person is--come before us?

Mr. Poparad moved to amend his motion, and request that the department head or office holder notify the Council regarding any changes in staff.

Mr. Carmichael, Are you talking about them notifying our secretary?

Mr. Poparad, Yes, have them call Jan, and send a note that somebody is leaving, and somebody is being, you know, hired in that place or whatever.

Mr. Carmichael, Alright.

Mr. Poparad, They don't have to come and sit in front of us, and ask permission.

Mrs. Conover, Could I ask what the purpose of that would be?

Mr. Poparad, Just information, and that's ultimately all I wanted anyway. I mean, I don't care, it doesn't matter who it is, just so we're informed. I would like to include that.

Mr. Carmichael, Does the second agree with that?

Mrs. Conover, I don't understand the purpose of it. The auditor's office keeps those records for payroll purposes.

Mr. Carmichael, Okay.

Mrs. Knoblock, He didn't want their name, he just wanted what position was being filled.

Mr. Poparad, Yes, just what's going on.

Mrs. Knoblock, He didn't actually want their name, just the position.

Mr. Poparad, Yes, that's all.

Mrs. Knoblock seconded the amended motion.

Mrs. Knoblock, We don't need names.

Mr. Poparad, Yes, just information.

Mr. Ruge, Is this a motion to deny her request?

Mr. Carmichael, I'm sorry, John.

Mr. Ruge, Is this a motion to deny the request?

Mr. Carmichael, No.

Mr. Ruge, What is the motion?

Mr. Carmichael, The motion is to rescind our last month's action, whereby we did not allow them hire budgeted positions without coming before the County Council. We're going to rescind that under the terms of this motion.

Mr. Ruge, Okay, thank you.

Mr. Carmichael, Any further discussion? Those in favor of the motion, answer by the usual sign of aye.

Motion carried on a unanimous voice vote.

Mr. Carmichael, Motion carries unanimously. Okay, Shirley, did you…

Mrs. LaFever, I know that doesn't pertain to my position.

Mr. Carmichael, Do you want to pull that speaker/microphone over.

Mrs. LaFever, I know that does not pertain to my position, because it was zeroed balanced when we gave back the money for Bethlehem Steel. At this time, I really would like to ask you to reconsider my position that I came and asked for two other times; this is my third time here. I would like you to consider it for the near future, but for tonight's meeting I will withdraw it at the present time.

Mr. Carmichael, Would you restate that, Shirley? You're withdrawing at this time.

Mrs. LaFever, At this time, I'm going to withdraw my 144 Form, because this is my third time here to ask for this position to be reinstated. It's not a new employee; it's to replace the employee that I lost during the budget crunch. My question goes again, are we ever going to replace these people back in our offices? This is a reassessment position out of my reassessment budget. It was there when I took office after Tim McCarthy; that position has always been there, paid out of the reassessment fund, not the general fund. But I understand your feelings on hiring full-time people because of the insurance benefits. So at this time, I will withdraw it, but I will be back in the near future because I really feel like I need this position to run my office efficiently.

Mr. Steele, Bill.

Mr. Carmichael, Okay.
Mr. Steele, Bill, may I comment on that? Shirley, today I contacted the University, the career development center, and I think this applies to all the departments within county government. I spoke with a lady named Sandy McDuggan, and her number is 464-5005, and this is in regards to temporary employment, which I think will fit into your department and many others.
The University has a program where majors in accounting, law and business have to serve, I believe it's 120 hours internship to graduate, and they can be paid or not paid. And if they are paid, they usually receive $7 to $8 an hour. But Eli Lilly has given the University a grant for this program of $750,000, and if we choose not to pay them, these people are usually paid a stipend of $1,000 for their time.
So I really think before you come back and ask for this person again, you should call this lady, and see how they can fit these interns into your office, and how this can be fit into other offices. The City is doing this now, and that's where I got the lead for this. But I strongly suggest that you do this, because we have this great wealth of knowledge up there; they're great on computers, these younger people, and I think we should take advantage of that. And in 2005, there will be 40 of these people available; in 2006, there will be 45. So there's a wealth of knowledge up there that I think we should tap into. That will give you the people that you need, other departments the people that they need, and we won't be paying out this insurance. If you want to sit with me later on and talk about how to contact this lady, I will be glad to do it.

Mrs. LaFever, Okay.

Mr. Ruge, This a...

Mr. Carmichael, Shirley.

Mr. Ruge, Shirley.

Mrs. LaFever, Yes, John.

Mr. Ruge, Would this money come out of the assessment fund?

Mrs. LaFever, This additional money I'm asking for tonight is money that I have moved money around in my budget in order to survive the last couple of months.

Mr. Ruge, From the assessing fund?

Mrs. LaFever, This is the reassessment fund, yes, John.

Mr. Ruge, Reassess?

Mrs. LaFever, Reassessment fund, yes.

Mr. Carmichael, Which one did you want to start with, Shirley?

Mrs. LaFever, The $35,000 to Contractual Services.

Mr. Carmichael, And what's that contract for?

Mrs. LaFever, You guys approved that contract. I'm putting $35,000 back into Contractual Services; that money was moved around for several reasons. The money was moved around to pay for part-time help. It was also moved around to pay for Nexus, I believe, which is doing our income approach. I've moved money around so much. This money was for a vendor for commercial approach for all the township assessors.

Mr. Carmichael, Has this contract been authorized by the commissioners?

Mrs. LaFever, Yes, you guys voted on it last month for the money. This is money that I had in my budget, in other items, I'm only asking for the money to be placed back in my items that I have moved around. And I brought that to your attention when I came before you last month, and the month before, and the month before, that I could come back and do this?

Mr. Carmichael, What's the Council's pleasure?

Mr. Poparad, Are we going to do them one at a time or are we going to do them all together, Bill? Just one at a time?

Ms. Rubens, Yes.

Mr. Carmichael, Do you want to do them one at a time or do you want to take them all?

Mr. Poparad, Whatever you want.

Mr. Carmichael, It's up to you. Do you want to take...

Mr. Poparad, I'll, I mean all this stuff we've talked about, the salaries, the lease purchase, and the hourly, and the data processing. Yes, she's just shifting from last meeting.

Mr. Carmichael, Alright, the $1,128 to Salaries. You have $33,000 to Lease Purchase. What project is that, Shirley?

Mrs. LaFever, The Lease Purchase is for my Plexis software.

Mr. Carmichael, Okay, $25,000 to Hourly.

Mrs. LaFever, That's money I'm going to have to have, additional money to hire part-time people.

Mr. Carmichael, Okay, $5,000 to Data Processing Equipment.

Mrs. LaFever, That was for Portage's server last month.

Mr. Carmichael, Oh yes, I remember. Okay, and that's the end of it?

Mrs. LaFever, That's the end of it.

Mr. Carmichael, What's the Council's pleasure?

Mr. Poparad moved to grant the request for additional appropriations submitted by Assessor Reassessment, $35,000 to 3950 Contractual Services, $1,128 to 1110 Salaries, $33,000 to 3730 Lease Purchase, $25,000 to 1120 Hourly, and $5,000 to 4510 Data Processing Equipment. Mr. Steele seconded, motion carried on a unanimous roll call vote.

Mr. Carmichael, Okay.

Mrs. LaFever, Okay, thank you.

Mr. Carmichael, Thank you, Shirley.

Mr. Steele, Thanks, Shirley.

CLERK 01.01
144 Form
From Deputy Record Juvenile at $22,782 to Deputy Juvenile Center at $26,026

Mr. Carmichael, Clerk.

Dale Brewer, Come on up here, don't be afraid, they don't bite. What I'm giving you is a comparison in job descriptions, which is currently the job description, which is not totally correct, and what it should be incorporated into. One is the Deputy of records, criminal and civil. Just so you have it, you can see how closely they are.
What I'd like to do is introduce an extraordinary young woman who works for me. It's Heather Kostelnik, and she runs my juvenile center deputy spot out there entirely by herself. If it wasn't for her, I'd probably have to have two people out there. She is so efficient. The ladies that I have to send out there to replace her while she's on vacation are criminal deputies that make more than she does. So I think it's only fair that she makes the same amount.
Her responsibilities are the same, if not more in some cases. She's never asked me for mileage or anything, the trips to the courthouse in her personal vehicle. I think her job description should be corrected to take all this into consideration, and she should be paid what she is worth--maybe a lot more--but she needs to be paid the comparable salary.

Mr. Carmichael, How long has she been in that position?

Ms. Brewer, How long have I had you out there now?

Heather Kostelnik, Two years.

Ms. Brewer, Two years.

Mr. Carmichael, This includes the $1,000 we put in this year?

Ms. Brewer, Yes, and I'd like you to make it retroactive to January 1st, in all fairness. Like I said, she's never asked me for a dime of mileage or anything.

Mr. Carmichael, Do you have funds in your budget to cover this?

Ms. Brewer, Yes, I do. I'm not asking you for any money.

Mr. Carmichael, Okay.

Mrs. Knoblock, I was...

Mr. Carmichael, Go ahead, Council.

Mrs. Knoblock, Excuse me. I was thinking that, could you wait until budget time, Dale?

Ms. Brewer, I don't think it would be fair to her with the increases in gas prices and stuff. This is already coming out her pocket, and I think she needs to be compensated. That's why I didn't want to wait, and I do have the money available in my budget. I'm not asking for any additional money whatsoever. We've been very frugal at the clerk's office.

Mrs. Conover, So we've read.

Ms. Brewer, It's true, I picked up four cabinets in Plymouth, Wednesday.

Mr. Carmichael, Comment?

Ms. Brewer, At no cost to you.

Mr. Carmichael, Anyone?

Mr. Ruge, These are all new positions?

Ms. Brewer, It's not a new position, John.

Mr. Carmichael, No, John.

Mr. Ruge, What?

Ms. Brewer, It's a correction of an existing position to be paid what it should be paid.

Mr. Ruge, That's good.

Ms. Brewer, I'm not asking for any money.

Mrs. Conover, Dale, when your department was refactored a couple of years ago, was this position, how did this position get missed?

Ms. Brewer, It wasn't quite as entailed as it is now. It was, per se, a lot of records. But the Juvenile Detention Center, if you've not read the reports on juvenile happening, it's quite a happening place now. She has to do protective orders, the charges, the case assignments, everything that we do for the superior court, she does it all for juvenile. Besides do the records, part of, she's actually got a double-duty there.

Mr. Steele, So I don't see sitting here, doing this all the time, we can't set this precedent.

Mr. Steele moved to deny the request to amend the Clerk's 144, Deputy Record Juvenile at $22,782 to Deputy Juvenile Center at $26,026.

Ms. Brewer, Well, this isn't a typical thing. It's clearly not done correctly. It's not fair that people come out there to replace her when she's on vacation, and are making a higher amount.

Mr. Steele, But everybody has an argument for the increase for whomever.

Ms. Brewer, Well that's why I gave you this paperwork.

Mr. Steele, And we certainly don't have time to look at it now. You know, this should have been given to us...

Ms. Brewer, And it's actually in...

Mr. Steele, A week ago so we could study it.

Ms. Brewer, It's actually in your job classification books in your office, also. If you had looked at any of the job positions, it's been there since you started day one.

Mr. Steele, I'm going to maintain my motion.

Mr. Poparad seconded.

Mr. Ruge, I know you've made a lot of cut in personnel, we're having trouble. Is this sort of to fill in those cuts that you made in personnel?

Ms. Brewer, No, John. I band-aid with part-time, and I have it with my office internships too when we can get them. I'm already way ahead of you there.

Mr. Ruge, It's not to fill in the cuts you made?

Ms. Brewer, No, John, it's to correct a classification.

Mr. Poparad, I agree with all you've said, and I'm sure she's worth the raise. It's this mid-year stuff that gets us in trouble. I think we would be more than glad to adjust this at budget for next year. But this middle of the year stuff, we might as well not do a budget.

Ms. Brewer, Well actually what I'm saying is to go back to the beginning of the year. I don't want it mid-year, because she's going to go another seven months without being paid what she should be paid.

Mr. Poparad, I agree with that.
Ms. Brewer, And I hope I keep her.

Mr. Poparad, Then where were you last August?

Ms. Brewer, I hope I keep her.

Mr. Poparad, Where were you last August when we did budgets for this position for this person?

Ms. Brewer, Why we didn't do it is because you asked us not to ask for anything additional. We didn't ask last August. We stayed within the line. She's been very patient waiting.

Mr. Poparad, I, again, I'm sure she's a valuable employee. I just think, I'm echoing what Al said, we...

Ms. Brewer, And she understood that there was no extra money to be asked for, for her, which I gave her a lot of credit for. A lot people, you know, want to go and leave right away, but she's hung on with us.

Mr. Poparad, I think...

Ms. Brewer, That's why we didn't ask last budget, because you specifically said not to.

Mr. Poparad, I think budget time is the time to address stuff like these inconsistencies, instead of the middle of the year.

Ms. Brewer, Well I happen to have the money now, and I thought it would be a good time to do it. I've cut in so many different places. I'm not asking for myself, you know. I don't want it for me, I want it for her.

Mr. Steele, Just consider our position.

Ms. Brewer, Well, if I can't do that, is there any way to get her mileage?

Mr. Poparad, I assumed we were paying mileage anyway.

Ms. Brewer, I don't have mileage in my budget.

Mrs. Knoblock, Let's call for the question.

Mr. Steele, If we give one person mileage, then everybody else is going to want mileage.

Ms. Brewer, Well some people get mileage just to drive to the courthouse. I don't get mileage either.

Mr. Steele, Those things can be corrected at budget time too. This can go both ways.

Ms. Brewer, I've never asked for mileage.

Mrs. Knoblock, Let's call for the question.

Ms. Brewer, And I don't want it for myself either, but it's not fair for her.

Mr. Ruge, These monies are in your budget?

Ms. Brewer, Yes, John.

Mr. Ruge, They're in the budget?

Ms. Brewer, Yes.

Mr. Ruge, That we approved?

Ms. Brewer, Yes.

Mr. Carmichael, Well as I understand it...

Ms. Brewer, I mean, of course, if you don't pass it, I will be back. I'm not going to give up on her.

Mr. Poparad, I agree, and I think August, with the new budgets, would be the time to address this. And I'm going to use the analogy, if you have money in your budget to do this now, and you've had the money all year...

Ms. Brewer, I haven't had it all year.

Mr. Poparad, Then where did it come from?

Ms. Brewer, Dockets. You have to be in my office to get paid. We just don't pay you if you don't show up.

Mr. Poparad, I just think...

Ms. Brewer, And I invite you both, again, I invited you before to come to the office. I have not seen you yet. I would really like you to come to see what happens in a clerk's office.

Mr. Steele, Dale, we've been to different places. There's 92 budgets, and I think Bob and I have been paying a lot of attention to various departments, and spent a lot of time. We spent over, what, almost 20 hours at the sheriff's department this year, so.

Ms. Brewer, But I do invite you again to come so you can see.

Mr. Steele, And we thank you for that.

Mr. Carmichael, The motion is to basically to deny the request. Is that my understanding?

Mr. Steele, That's correct.

Mr. Carmichael, If you want to deny the request, you vote yes. If you want to vote against the motion, vote no.

Mrs. Stevenson, I feel like I should abstain from this.

Mr. Carmichael, I don't. Does it affect you personally?

Mrs. Stevenson, No.

Mr. Carmichael, Then you don't abstain. It's not, it doesn't affect your salary at all, does it?

Mrs. Stevenson, No.

Mr. Carmichael, You're not included?

Mrs. Stevenson, No.

Mr. Carmichael, Then your vote is a valid one. You have no conflict.

Mrs. Stevenson, Okay.

Mr. Carmichael, Those in favor of the motion to deny, well, let's see, this is a 144, so we'll have a roll call vote.

Motion carried on the following roll call vote:

Knoblock-YesPoparad-Yes
Ruge-NoSteele-Yes
Stevenson-YesCarmichael-No
Conover-No

Ms. Brewer, Thank you, I will be back.

Mr. Steele, Thank you, Dale.

PLANNING/BUILDING DEPARTMENT 239
Hiring Freeze - Building Inspector

Mr. Carmichael, Let's see, I guess there's no hiring freeze. We lifted the hiring freeze, so there's no reason to come before us.

Mr. Poparad, This is a new position, Bill. I think it's a new position.

Mr. Carmichael, This is a new position or just a replacement.

Mrs. Conover, Replacing Ray, correct?

Ray Weltz, No, this is a position that's in my budget that has been vacant.

Mr. Carmichael, Who's taking your position?

Mr. Weltz, Roger Baldwin, effective the 15th of June.

Mr. Carmichael, I don't understand here, Ray.

Mr. Weltz, Okay, what I'm here for tonight, and I want to clarify your vote that was taken earlier, but it was filling the position that I had in my budget before, and now it's been vacant. In other words, when we had the 10% cuts, I had to cut the full-time position due to getting, meeting the...

Mr. Carmichael, This says: Building Inspector.

Mr. Weltz, Right. He's the Building Commissioner.

Mr. Carmichael, You are, oh, there's a difference.

Mr. Weltz, There's a difference.

Mr. Carmichael, Okay.

Mr. Weltz, The building inspector position that is in the budget presently.

Mr. Carmichael, Okay.

Mr. Weltz, This is the building commissioner, as I was the building commissioner.

Mr. Poparad, Bill, should we, Dave, maybe we ought to shed some light on this. Is this a plan commission issue first?

Mr. Weltz, No.

Mr. Poparad, I'm talking to Dave, please.

Mr. Hollenbeck, It's my understanding, technically these guys work for the commissioners.

Mr. Poparad, Well...

Mr. Weltz, We work for the commissioners. We have a building/planning fund that both our monies are in.

Mr. Hollenbeck, And this, back up a second. Is this position in the '04 budget?

Ms. Noll, Yes.

Mr. Weltz, The new budget?

Ms. Noll, Yes.

Mr. Hollenbeck, The budget we're, we haven't yet had approved, but we are functioning on?

Ms. Noll, Yes.

Mr. Weltz, Yes.

Mr. Hollenbeck, And there's a line item with dollars there?

Mr. Weltz, Yes.

Mr. Hollenbeck, Well then I, to me, that's what you just lifted by way of the hiring freeze.

Mr. Poparad, I agree with that, but there seems to be a lot of discussion in the Plan Commission to hire this, and not the commissioners.

Mr. Hollenbeck, Well I don't profess to be an expert on that.

Mr. Weltz, State statute...

Mr. Hollenbeck, Maybe Commissioner Harper, can you clarify that?

Mr. Weltz, Specifies that.

Com. Harper, I, they had to straighten me out on that, we, the Plan Commission hires the planning director.

Mr. Poparad, Okay.

Com. Harper, The commissioners hire the...

Mr. Poparad, Okay, that's fine.

Com. Harper, For the building department.

Mr. Poparad, As long as everybody is on the same page here. I keep hearing different stories.

Mr. Hollenbeck, Right. It's my understanding that the commissioners hire both of these gentlemen that are before us.
Mr. Poparad, Okay.

Mr. Hollenbeck, And as I'm hearing them, this is a, they're asking to fill a position that was in the '04 budget, and is funded in that budget.

Mr. Carmichael, Well we lifted that freeze a little while ago, so that...

Mr. Poparad, Correct.

Mr. Carmichael, The question is moot at this point.

Mr. Hollenbeck, Under those facts...

Mr. Poparad, As long as you are aware that when the fees run out...

Com. Harper, Oh yes.

Mr. Poparad, You guys...

Mr. Weltz, I won't be here.

Mr. Poparad, I know you won't be here.

Mr. Hollenbeck, Now in the spirit of that motion, you would like these people to write and send a letter to Jan.

Mr. Poparad, Just send some information, yes, that's all.

Mr. Hollenbeck, That you're filling the position.

Mr. Poparad, Yes, okay.

Mr. Hollenbeck, And maybe the effective date that you're filling it.

Mr. Poparad, Yes.

Mr. Weltz, Well it's going to have to be advertised, so we'll write a letter stating that we're going to advertise on such and such a date.

Mr. Poparad, That's all, yes.

Mr. Hollenbeck, Well I think we're not as concerned about when you're advertising, as when you fill it. When will that person, you advertise, you hire somebody, just let us know as of this date, you're going to start drawing on that line item.

Mrs. Knoblock, And will he start at the low end or high end?

Mr. Weltz, That's no problem.

Mr. Carmichael, Okay, thank you.

Mr. Weltz, Thank you.

Roger Baldwin, Thank you.

ADULT PROBATION 01.43
Hiring Freeze - Probation Officer

Mr. Carmichael, Adult Probation, apparently your question has been answered.

Neil Hannon, Yes, well I heard earlier. The position's funded, and someone leaves, I can, I don't need to come here tonight.

Mr. Carmichael, Well that's right.

Mr. Steele, That's right.

Mr. Hannon, Alright, thank you.

JAIL 01.32
Hiring Freeze - Jailers (4)

Mr. Carmichael, Jail.

Mr. Poparad, Same thing.

Mr. Carmichael, Jail, is the same thing. You have...

Chief Deputy Dave Lain, Unless you want to talk to me about something else.

Mr. Carmichael, No, we reverted to the old policy.

Chief Deputy Lain, Okay.

Mr. Carmichael, That was in effect prior to last month's meeting.

SUPERIOR COURT 3 - JENT 01.38
Hiring Freeze - Secretary

Mr. Carmichael, Superior Court, the same thing.

Judge Julia Jent, Just wanted to make sure it was true.

Mr. Carmichael, No, you're alright.

Mr. Hollenbeck, They would never do that.

Mr. Carmichael, Thank you, Judge.

Mr. Poparad, I'm taking a vow of silence.

PROSECUTOR IV-D 01.35
Hiring Freeze - Caseworker
144 Form
Administrative Assistant from $0 to $22,295 - Request tabled
Caseworker from $0 to $19,699 - Request tabled
Caseworker/Clerical from $0 to $19,699 - Request tabled
Additional Appropriation
$61,693 to 1110 Salaries - Request tabled

Mr. Carmichael, The Prosecutor, same thing.

Jim Douglas, I appreciate the rescinding of the freeze, and I understand that, and I will fill that slot, but somebody's left, and we need to fill it.

Mr. Carmichael, Okay.

Mr. Douglas, I was also here for the additional and the 144, and that, I understand, no, you're not in a position to do anything on that. That I would like to table.

Mr. Steele, Thank you.

Mr. Carmichael, Okay, thank you.

Mr. Douglas, Thank you very much.

HIGHWAY 02
Hiring Freeze - Driver/Laborer
Additional Appropriation
$8,000 to 1110 Salaries
$21,855 to 1111 Full-time Hourly
$60,000 to 3950.191 Contractual Services
$60,000 to 3950.291 Contractual Services
$60,000 to 3950.391 Contractual Services
$50,000 to 2362.191 Bituminous
$50,000 to 2362.291 Bituminous
$30,000 to 2362.391 Bituminous
$20,000 to 2360.391 Stone

Mr. Carmichael, Highway. I think your first question has been answered, Al. The next one is the additional requests. When we did your budget we forgot to put in the raises that we granted to all the employees. Is that right?

Al Hoagland, Correct.

Mr. Carmichael, Okay, I think Sheila sent us a notice to that effect. That's the first item. You need $21,855 to Full-time Hourly.

Mr. Hoagland, Correct.

Mr. Carmichael, $60,000 to Contractual Services, $60,000 to Contractual, $60,000 to Contractual; those are the three districts.

Mr. Hoagland, Correct.

Mr. Carmichael, $50,000 to Bituminous, $50,000 to Bituminous, to two districts, but you shorted the north district.

Mr. Hoagland, That's south.

Mr. Carmichael, Okay, south, $30,000, and $20,000 to Stone. What's the Council's pleasure?

Mrs. Conover moved to grant the request for additional appropriations submitted by Highway 02, $8,000 to 1110 Salaries, $21,855 to 1111 Full-time Hourly, $60,000 to 3950.191 Contractual Services, $60,000 to 3950.291 Contractual Services, $60,000 to 3950.391 Contractual Services, $50,000 to 2362.191 Bituminous. $50,000 to 2362.291 Bituminous, $30,000 to 2362.391 Bituminous, and $20,000 to 2360.391 Stone. Mr. Poparad seconded, motion carried on a unanimous roll call vote.

Mr. Carmichael, Would you introduce this gentleman?

Mr. Hoagland, I'd like to. This is David James, whose been appointed as the assistant highway supervisor. He's been with us since 1990, and to give you another face if something goes wrong, you can contact him also.

Mr. Carmichael, Alright. What was your position before?

David James, I was the bridge foreman, sir.

Mr. Carmichael, Oh, okay.

Mrs. Conover, Congratulations.

Mr. James, Thank you.

Mr. Hoagland, I'm very glad to have him.

Mr. Carmichael, Alright, welcome aboard.

Mr. James, Thank you.

Mr. Hoagland, Thank you very much.

CONVENTION, RECREATION & VISITORS COMMISSION 93
Hiring Freeze - Public Relations Director
Presentation on Visitors Center
Additional Appropriation
$105,000 to 4210 Buildings

Mr. Carmichael, Visitors Commission.

Lorelei Weimer, Item number one, we don't have to worry about.

Mr. Carmichael, You don't have to worry about it. An additional $105,000 to Buildings, and a presentation on the new visitors center. Would you take care of those two; let's see, the 105 is to Buildings, that's for your...

Ms. Weimer, The new visitors center.

Mr. Carmichael, You're matching a grant.

Ms. Weimer, Right. It was the last payment from First Source Bank, who has purchased our present visitors center, and that's their last payment, and again, it will be our last payment, and again, our 20% match for the federal grant money that we have.

Mr. Carmichael, Okay, then you want to go ahead and give us an update on the new visitors center?

Ms. Weimer, Yes. Actually, we have a couple of updates. The first one I wanted to give you was our destination audit. This is an exciting project that we're doing. We're taking an active role in the produce that is in Porter County. If you look at our destination, we're very weather dependant, and our dunes is the biggest attraction, which is great, 3,000,000 visitors a year.
But we want to be more active in the new product that comes into our area so we have hired a consultant out of Phoenix area, who is coming and taking a critical look at what we have, what our strengths are, and what are weaknesses are. He was absolutely astonished by the attraction of the Indiana Dunes. Most destinations would die to have that kind of attraction in their backyard.
What he's going to look at is the areas that we also need improvement on, and that's a non-related product development. He's going to look at our, a different type of product that we could actually bring into Porter County that would enhance the quality of life, not only for the residents, but it would also attract new visitors. It would have to compliment our communities. I think you've been to a lot of destinations where a product has been developed, and there's no real plan behind it. I think of Pigeon Forge, Wisconsin Dells, comes to mind.
The third phase is to actually find developers. The visitors center does not want to manage or build a product, but we want to be a catalyst in that new development here. Then the fourth phase is to do an image assessment, which is a survey of our geographical marker, of what people think of Porter County as a destination, as well as our competitive set; so what do they like about our competitors, and compare that to Porter County. So that project is underway, and our consultant has been doing a lot of interviews. I know he interviewed Bill to get some feedback on him as well.
As far as the visitors center, we have completed our appraisal, and review appraisal of the land we would like to purchase on SR 49. Right now we are working with a buyer who will actually negotiate the land purchase. We also have a memorandum of understanding in its draft format. That will actually define the partnership between the PCCRVC and the Indiana Dunes National Lakeshore. It kind of gives a scope of work; it also explains the background and objectives of the project. It also explains the utilization of the equipment, fixtures and furniture, and reporting. Now that's one agreement that's in draft format, and David Hollenbeck has that to review from our standpoint. And then David is also working our actual lease agreement. The only thing holding David up is that we do have to determine our day-to-day operational expenses, as well as our long-term operational expenses, because that will all be worked into the lease agreement with the National Park.
Our architects, Bob Gerometta and Randy Robison, will be getting those figures for us. Bob Gerometta is also concluding the final architectural plans. Those will be submitted in about a month to INDOT. INDOT will then review the plans, send them back for corrections, and then INDOT will actually do the letting of the bids, and they will also award the bids as well.
We are behind, and delayed in this project by nine months, so we're now looking, instead of moving in in December of 2004, we're now looking at late summer, early fall of 2005. What that means is, our building has been sold. We have to vacate that by December 1st, so we actually have to find temporary housing. My goal is to try to find something on or about Indian Boundary Road, because we do have signage for the visitors center already. So if we could have a smaller version of our visitors center, that would be great. If that doesn't work out, we'll just, you know, find space that can accommodate us.

Mr. Carmichael, You've got the old Jewel store there.

Ms. Weimer, Yes, that would be plenty of space, and actually there is also another building, the old Horizon Bank, which is right by the Jewel, that would actually meet our needs perfectly. Unfortunately, people don't normally shop for space that they don't need until December. So that's been some of the issues. So that's where we're at with the visitors center, and I'd also entertain any questions regarding either project.

Mr. Carmichael, I have two things. I went out to the site this last week, and as long as you've got INDOT here, I think a request should be put in to clean up the old police post. They're piling junk all over that thing--and that's the antenna--where the antenna is located, and spoils from somewhere, some road project, and the place is a mess. It's not a good entry...

Ms. Weimer, No, the curbside appeal now.

Mr. Carmichael, For tourism. At the same time, the ditch that runs along side of you--the whole project--I don't know if it's Block or Munson, what is it?

Ms. Weimer, Munson's Ditch.

Mr. Carmichael, Is it Munson?

Mr. Poparad, Yes.

Mr. Carmichael, And there was a moratorium on that at one time, and I think that something has to be done to clean that ditch to west, or to the east, and north where it crosses the highway, and goes under the highway, and goes out to Lake Michigan.

Ms. Weimer, I know that's a legal drain, so you can't fill that in because it being a legal drain.

Mr. Carmichael, Well it's got a 75-foot easement to either bank, but it should be cleaned. I walked it down to Hollywood Road, and it, Hollywood Road runs stops before there. But the whole ditch needs to be cleaned all the way from the highway--49--over to the outlet in the National Lakeshore. That's my two concerns about the project.
Ms. Weimer, Okay. Yes, we'll get in touch with INDOT on both of those.

Mr. Carmichael, Okay, thank you. Anyone else? If not, do we have a motion on the $105,000 to Buildings.

Mrs. Conover moved to grant the request for additional appropriations submitted by Convention, Recreation & Visitors Commission 93, $105,000 to 4210 Buildings. Mr. Poparad seconded, motion carried on a unanimous roll call vote.

Ms. Weimer, Thank you.

Mr. Carmichael, Thank you very much for the presentation.

HEALTH 05.95
Additional Appropriation
$21,451 to 1110 Salaries

Mr. Carmichael, Health Department. I don't see Keith; there he is, way in the back--the very back. Okay. Are you getting a suntan back there.

Keith Letta, I think in your folders, a memo from Sandy and Sheila in the auditor's office, concerning a error that I guess was made in the advertisements at last year's budget time for this current year's budget. So I apparently need this additional $21,451 to correct that. It's similar to what you had at the Highway.

Mr. Carmichael, Yes, that was the auditor's office that overlooked that at the time, and it should have been included in your budget. This is the same thing with the raise we granted last year.

Mr. Poparad moved to grant the request for additional appropriations submitted by Health 05.95, $21,451 to 1110 Salaries.

Mr. Carmichael, Go ahead, John. Do you have a question?

Mr. Ruge, This isn't hiring a new person?

Mr. Carmichael, No.

Mr. Ruge seconded.

Mr. Carmichael, Alright, further discussion? Roll call.

Motion carried on a unanimous roll call vote.

Mr. Carmichael, Motion carries.

Mr. Letta, Thank you.

Mr. Carmichael, Thank you, Keith.

WESTCHESTER TOWNSHIP 01.12
Additional Appropriation
$3,000 to 1110 Salaries

Mr. Carmichael, Is this the same thing with Westchester Township?

Ms. Noll, Yes, it is.

Mr. Poparad, Yes.

Mr. Carmichael, Do I have a motion?

Mr. Poparad moved to grant the request for additional appropriations submitted by Westchester Township 01.12, $3,000 to 1110 Salaries. Mrs. Stevenson seconded, motion carried on a unanimous roll call vote.

Mr. Carmichael, Motion carries.

PORTAGE TOWNSHIP 01.11
Transfer
$516 from 2110 Office Supplies to 4410 Office Equipment over $100
Additional Appropriation
$7,800 to 1120 Hourly

Mr. Carmichael, Hi, John.

John Scott, We come in peace.

Mr. Carmichael, Has that test equipment been installed yet?

Mr. Scott, Yes, and I was going to comment on that. The new server is in, and we're experiencing about 45% upgrading, so. Not in all the windows, but in the majority of the windows, so it does run faster.

Mr. Carmichael, Does our information officer agree with that? Is it doing what you said it might do?

Sharon Lippens, It is faster, but it's hard to measure because the additional speed test was done before they rolled over for the 2004, so now that they've rolled over for the 2004, it isn't quite the increase that we expected due to that rollover, but they are seeing an increase.

Mr. Scott, Yes, we were looking for a 60%.

Mr. Carmichael, Yes, 60, I thought you told me at one time.

Mr. Scott, Yes, 45 is, like I said, when you rollover something like that, you're putting a huge amount of information in.

Mr. Carmichael, Okay, what's your request today?

Mr. Scott, We want to transfer some money. We need more cabinet space. It just seems like, not that I don't trust computers, but we've had some bad experience with them. But the computers that we have do not keep back data, and that back data, it has to be hard copies. It's whatever, who owned it, what happened to the piece of property from one reassessment to another reassessment or the change of hands, and stuff like that, and her cabinets are just filling up.

Kathy Cochran, I'd like to add right in with that, that last summer when we up here working on the computers doing the new system and everything, and the reassessment, that if there was a question, you had to go back in the folder and look at the old worksheets and everything in order to figure out what you were actually doing. Because there was some things lost on the system that didn't show up...

Mr. Scott, Yes, sir.

Ms. Cochran, And different things like that.

Mr. Ruge, When is this going to be completed? The reassessment?

Mr. Scott, Well I think you'd have to go over to...
Mr. Ruge, I mean it's dragging on and on and on.

Mr. Scott, Lake County and find out what's going on over there. I think the reassessment in general is in pretty good shape. You're going to find some tacky areas, and our problems with them. In general, they threw curves to us, and I don't want to belabor it, but when we started out it was cost approach. Then all of a sudden the States says, well we're going to let you do this approach and that approach. This is after the fact that the manual being out and everything else, so that's one of the reasons why we have Nexus helping us because they are experts at that particular stuff. I don't know if anybody's come into those rooms while they've been there, but they're helping us tremendously.

Ms. Cochran, I think what we were trying to say on the cabinets, each folder is growing--each folder--so we need the space.

Mr. Scott, What happens is, the computers only hold two or three years of information, and that means, I have stuff from '69, '79 reassessment, '89, '95 and this particular reassessment. So I mean, and that's all appeals and everything else that comes through there, that stuff goes into those computers.

Mr. Carmichael, After five minutes, John, your chances are going down hill.

Mr. Scott, Oh, okay.

Mr. Carmichael, You have...

Mr. Steele, John, can't you put that on a disk, all that information or you don't have time to do it or...

Ms. Cochran, You can't put the drawings, the worksheets and things like that on there.

Mr. Steele, You know, for the CAD, engineers do it everyday.

Mr. Scott, It would take a tremendous amount...

Mr. Steele, A tremendous amount of time.

Mr. Scott, To download it. We'd love to have that, we'd love to have that.

Mr. Carmichael, You have to enter that all by hand?

Mrs. Conover, Is the information data entered for the appeals?

Mr. Scott, Huh?

Mrs. Conover, For appeals, you need to back into...

Mr. Scott, For everything. I mean it's a history of what happened to the particular piece of property from the very get go.

Mr. Carmichael, John, you had a question?

Mr. Ruge, No more.

Mr. Carmichael, Al? Bob? No?

Mr. Steele, I was answered, thank you.

Mr. Carmichael, Alright the request is for a transfer of $516. What's the Council's pleasure?

Mrs. Conover moved to grant the request for transfer of funds submitted by Portage Township 01.11, $516 from 2110 Office Supplies to 4410 Office Equipment over $100. Mr. Poparad seconded, motion carried on a unanimous voice vote.

Mr. Carmichael, Motion carries. What was the $7,800 to Hourly, John?

Mrs. Knoblock, Yes.

Mr. Scott, This is for a part-time field man. Back when we were doing the reassessment, and we were having real big trouble with money and everything else, we were taking money away. They took my money away for my commercial--$10,000. They took $30,000 out of our budget. I think you sat in on those budget hearings. And at the end of the day, they took $7,000 of my field man. That's a half of year's work for my field man.
Now we were able to filter through that with reassessment money to use him for both ways, and then last year in July--the 1st of July--the money runs out, and he stayed on. If you'll notice, we didn't come back for any more money; we didn't get anymore money. He stayed on and only worked for mileage, but he said he wouldn't do, he's a good friend of mine. I went to school with him. I worked out in the steel mills with him, and he's just a good friend. But we can't continue that way. I mean we do over 3,000 or more permits a year. New houses over 260-some-odd new houses, I think we have. New businesses and everything else like that. It's just, and we're not asking for something that's going to have insurance benefits. It's just to put back the $14,000 that we had for a field man back three years ago, four years ago. The problem is, you know, we're not getting any, the workload is not getting any shorter, it's getting longer.

Mr. Poparad, This is part-time position, basically?

Mr. Scott, Excuse me?

Mr. Poparad, This is a part-time position, basically?

Mr. Scott, Part-time.

Mr. Carmichael, Okay, any further questions? What's the Council's pleasure?

Mr. Poparad moved to grant the request for additional appropriations submitted by Portage Township 01.11, $7,800 to 1120 Hourly. Mr. Steele seconded.

Mr. Carmichael, There's a motion and second to allow the request. Further discussion?

Mr. Ruge, Is the motion to deny? Motion to approve it would...

Mr. Carmichael, Motion to approve, John. Roll call.

Motion carried on a unanimous roll call vote.

Mr. Scott, Thank you very much.

Mr. Carmichael, Thanks, John.

PARKS OPERATING 127
Additional Appropriation
$970 to 2250 Other Supplies
$1,000 to 3340 Advertising
$1,000 to 3980 Event Expenses

Mr. Carmichael, Parks Operating; anybody seen Ed Melendez.

Ed Melendez, He's still sleeping back there.

Mr. Carmichael, Somebody said you were going to go fly a kite.
Mr. Melendez, Not that well that day. It got kind of wet. Good evening.

Mr. Carmichael, What do you need, $970?

Mr. Melendez, I have an additional in the 127.85 account.

Mr. Carmichael, Where do the funds for that come from?

Mr. Melendez, That comes from the tourism grant that we receive. This is payment number four for the year 2004. What we have in the 127.85 is $970 into the 2250, which is Other Supplies. In the 127.85, for $1,000 in the 3340, which is Advertising. And in the 127.85, which is $1,000 in the 3980, which is Event Expenses. This will get us set up for the Gaelic Festival, and giving us a head start for the Holiday Festival.

Mr. Carmichael, Are there any questions? Do I have a motion?

Mr. Poparad moved to grant the request for additional appropriations submitted by Park Operating 127.85, $970 to 2250 Other Supplies, $1,000 to 3340 Advertising, and $1,000 to 3980 Event Expenses. Mr. Steele seconded, motion carried on a unanimous roll call vote.

PARKS 01.85
Transfer
$1,000 from 3950 Contractual Services to 3620 Buildings & Structures

Mr. Carmichael, You're requesting a transfer of $1,000 from Contractual Services to Buildings & Structures.

Mr. Melendez, That's correct. That's to help us with some purchasing for finishing the fencing on Meridian, and we have other summer projects now that the summer kids are here to complete.

Mr. Carmichael, What's the Council's pleasure?

Mrs. Conover moved to grant the request for transfer of funds submitted by Parks 01.85, $1,000 from 3950 Contractual Services to 3620 Buildings & Structures. Mr. Poparad seconded, motion carried on a unanimous voice vote.

Mr. Melendez, Thank you.

Mr. Carmichael, Thank you, Ed.

COMMISSIONERS 01.30
Transfer
$149.98 from 3710 Equipment to 4410 Office Equipment over $100
CCD FUND 132.30
Transfer
$205,000 from 4320 Roads & Taxiways to 4420 Motor Vehicles
$35,000 from 4320 Roads & Taxiways to 4510 Data Processing Equipment
Additional Appropriation
$240,000 to 4320 Roads & Taxiways
$115,592 to 4110 Land Purchase - Request withdrawn

Mr. Carmichael, The Commissioners; any one here representing the commissioners.

Com. Harper, I need clarifications.

Mr. Carmichael, Bob, why don't you come up and say, don't ask me any questions.

Com. Harper, Well, the big requests are the transfers in the CCD fund, and let me explain that for a minute. We, number one, we dealt with police cars, and we asked, invited the Council's representatives that deal with the sheriff's department to our meeting, and try to work something out with these police cars.
As you know, in past years they've come from the CCD, but they didn't last year, because they came from the signing bonus, is where the cars came from last year. So we were presented with a sheriff's department request for 12 cars, and in our motion to try approve that, we required that 12 be sold also. So 12 in, and 12 out, and put the money together this way.
Out of that Tiburon contract, because the sheriff's department was able to get a grant, some money had been taken for that Tiburon project that came back in, which was put back into the signing bonus. We put that together with this, with $20,000, I think, that we already put in the CCD fund for cars along with this extra money that we're asking for the transfer on, to put the money together for the 12 squad cars. So that's what that's about.
Data, the other transfer is to Data Processing. Data Processing has come up with a five-year plan, and they've gone all through all the computers in the County. They've aged them, you know, how old each one of them are, and they've come up with a five-year rotation plan, where they're going start this year, and take the money out of the CCD for the next five years. A lot of the computers that they are replacing are going to be transferred to other departments. they have a full plan, and this money is to get approximately the sum of 120 this year or 125 to data for purchasing those computers.

Mr. Carmichael, Okay.

Com. Harper, The office transfer is for a piece of office equipment that was in excess. Let me, the other one, and the question came up at the commissioners' meeting, and it wasn't answered there, because apparently the auditor put some of these down, because Sheila was at the meeting, and explained to us what we had to do on these transfers. I don't know what that one is about, 240 to Land Purchase. We asked that question at the meeting, Mr. Evans and I did, and asked that it be clarified, and it hasn't been clarified, so I'm requesting no action on that tonight.

Mr. Carmichael, Wait a minute, I'm trying to job my memory on why we used to have that in there, Bob.

Com. Harper, Well, I know. We both asked, and no one told us, so.

Ms. Noll, It's in the budget minutes. It was for north county garage, I believe.

Com. Harper, Well we...

Mr. Carmichael, It was for north county garage.

Com. Harper, Well then I, if that's what it is for then, but I'm asking that it be withdrawn.

Mr. Carmichael, Let's considered that at next month's meeting.

Com. Harper, Because we haven't...

Mr. Carmichael, We'll get a clarification on that.

Com. Harper, Right, we haven't, we're not proceeding with that right now.

Mr. Carmichael, Okay, so the request is for the transfer of the $205,000 from Roads & Taxiways to the MV; $35,000 to Roads & Taxiways to Data Processing Equipment. That's the request that's currently before us.

Mr. Poparad moved to grant the request for transfer of funds submitted by CCD Fund 132.30, $205,000 from 4320 Roads & Taxiways to 4420 Motor Vehicles and $35,000 from 4320 Roads & Taxiways to 4510 Data Processing Equipment. Mrs. Conover and Mr. Steele seconded.

Mr. Carmichael, Further discussion? John, did you have discussion or a question?
Mr. Ruge, No.

Mr. Carmichael, Okay.

Com. Harper, Let me ask Dave something right now. You know what, maybe that additional is two lines, rather the one line right on top of the other. Do you see that additional, where it says additional?

Mr. Hollenbeck, Right. What's your question, Bob?

Com. Harper, Well, I'm thinking that this is to be used for Roads & Taxiways.

Mr. Hollenbeck, As I understand it...

Gwenn Rinkenberger, The $240,000 would be what we...

Mr. Hollenbeck, What you would...

Ms. Rinkenberger, Transferred out of Highway to go into Data Processing and the cars. We want to reappropriate it out the unappropriated money--the CCD money--back into highways, so Highway has their $600,000 that they had before we transferred the money out. That's what the 240 is.

Mr. Hollenbeck, What you're withdrawing is the $115,592 to Land Purchase?

Com. Harper, Correct.

Ms. Rinkenberger, That, we don't know what that is.

Com. Harper, No, we don't know what that is, correct.

Mr. Carmichael, All we're considering at this point with the motion is the transfers.

Com. Harper, Okay, alright.

Mr. Carmichael, As I understand it. Correct?

Mrs. Conover, Yes.

Com. Harper, We'll do it next month.

Mr. Carmichael, The motion has been made and seconded. Further discussion? Those in favor of the transfers, answer by the usual sign of aye.

Motion carried on a unanimous voice vote.

Mr. Carmichael, Motion carries. Now the additional.

Com. Harper, Right.

Mr. Carmichael, $240,000 to roadways, Roads & Taxiways, and that's to fund your, each commissioner's district.

Ms. Rinkenberger, Right.

Mr. Carmichael, The total of $300,000 that was promised.

Ms. Rinkenberger, That's correct.

Mr. Carmichael, Okay.
Ms. Rinkenberger, We, that's what we took out to fund the vehicles, and the data processing, so we transferred that out, so we just want to replenish our highway money with the CCD money that's there.

Mr. Carmichael, I think everybody understands that. What's the...

Mr. Ruge, What's the Land Purchase for?

Com. Harper, The Land Purchase...

Mr. Carmichael, We're not considering that at this time, John.

Com. Harper, We're withdrawing that.

Ms. Rinkenberger, We don't know what that is.

Mr. Carmichael, We're not considering that at this time.

Mr. Poparad moved to grant the request for additional appropriations submitted by CCD 132.30, $240,000 to 4320 Roads & Taxiways. Mrs. Conover seconded.

Mr. Carmichael, Further discussion? Roll call.

Motion carried on a unanimous roll call vote.

Com. Harper, Then we have our Office Equipment request.

Mr. Carmichael, You're withdrawing the other request.

Com. Harper, We're withdrawing the land request.

Mr. Carmichael, Okay, do you have anything else?

Com. Harper, You haven't voted on the transfer on the Office Equipment, have you?

Ms. Rinkenberger, We have a transfer to purchase a shredder to shred materials in the office.

Mr. Carmichael, What's the transfer for; how much is it?

Com. Harper, It's up at the top, 149 from Equipment to Office Equipment over $100, $149.

Mr. Carmichael, I didn't hear you, Bob.

Com. Harper, It's $149.98 from...

Ms. Rinkenberger, It's from Equipment to Office Equipment over $100.

Mr. Carmichael, Is this out of the CCD?

Ms. Rinkenberger, No.

Com. Harper, No, it's just a transfer in...

Mrs. Conover, General.

Mr. Steele moved to grant the request for transfer of funds submitted by Commissioners 01.30, $149.98 from 3710 Equipment to 4410 Office Equipment over $100.

Mr. Carmichael, Oh, it's above it, okay, I didn't see it. I'm sorry. $149,000 or $149.

Ms. Rinkenberger, $149.

Mr. Carmichael, Okay, I heard the motion, is there a second?

Mr. Poparad seconded.

Mr. Carmichael, A motion and a second. Further discussion?

Motion carried on a unanimous voice vote.

LEPC 18
Transfer
$456 from Equipment other than Vehicles to 3610 Maintenance Agreements

Mr. Carmichael, Local Emergency Planning. LEPC, is he here tonight?

Ms. Noll, It's under $500. Russell's here.

Mr. Carmichael, Transfer of $456 from Equipment other than Vehicles to Maintenance Agreements. What's the Council's pleasure?

Mr. Poparad moved to grant the request for transfer of funds submitted by LEPC 18, $456 from Equipment other than Vehicles to 3610 Maintenance Agreements. Mrs. Conover seconded, motion carried on a unanimous voice vote.

Mr. Carmichael, Thank you very much.

Russell Shirley, Thank you.

Mr. Poparad, I see you got rid of the vehicle.

Mr. Shirley, Yes, I did.

Mr. Poparad, Thank you.

SUPERIOR COURT 4 - CHIDESTER 01.37
Transfer
$164.99 from 2110 Office Supplies to 2250 Other Supplies

Mr. Carmichael, Superior Court, transfer $164.99. What's the Council's pleasure?

Mr. Steele moved to grant the request for transfer of funds submitted by Superior Court 4-01.39. Mrs. Conover and Mrs. Knoblock seconded, motion carried on a unanimous voice vote.

ITS 01.50
Transfer
$70.31 from 2110 Office Supplies to 2120 Office Fixtures under $100

Mr. Carmichael, The information center needs $70.31.

Mr. Steele moved to grant the request for transfer of funds submitted by ITS, $70.31 from 2110 Office Supplies to 2120 Office Fixtures under $100. Mr. Ruge seconded, motion carried on a unanimous voice vote.

COUNCIL 01.25
Additional Appropriation
$13,835 to 3110 Legal
Mr. Carmichael, I understand on the next item we have some good news. Did you hear, have a rumor-mill, Carole or Dave?

Mrs. Knoblock, I just got a telephone call saying they turned the landfill down. They voted against it.

Mrs. Conover, Oh, wow.

Mrs. Knoblock, So that's good.

Mr. Carmichael, Where did, was that by radio?

Mrs. Knoblock, Bob knows--Bob Harper.

Mr. Hollenbeck, Bob, you want; Judge Alexa has entered his order affirming the County's decision to turn down the landfill.

Mrs. Knoblock, Yea.

Mr. Hollenbeck, Now help me, Bob. Actually what was up, it was a request for a variance or?

Com. Harper, Right, it was a question before the BZA.

Mr. Hollenbeck, Right, through the BZA.

Com. Harper, They upheld their denial. I've got...

Mr. Hollenbeck, Judge Alexa has affirmed the BZA's decision to deny the landfill.

Mr. Carmichael, Okay, so the next thing they can appeal that to where?

Mr. Hollenbeck, Absolutely.

Mrs. Knoblock, Yes.

Com Harper, What was the question?

Mr. Carmichael, The next thing, of course, they will probably appeal to somebody.

Com. Harper, They may.

Mr. Carmichael, Who's the somebody?

Mr. Hollenbeck, The Court of Appeals.

Com. Harper, The Court of Appeals.

Mr. Carmichael, The Indiana Court of Appeals.

Com. Harper, Right, and we've already approached the Council and asked for...

Mr. Carmichael, We funded that.

Com. Harper, Right.

At this time, Mr. Poparad left the meeting.

Mr. Carmichael, Yes. Okay, well, let's hope our luck holds, and we get another favorable ruling. The additional is $13,835 to Legal fund. Do we have a motion?
Mr. Steele, Dave, do you want to kind of tell us what that was for?

Mr. Hollenbeck, What that is, if you remember as we, and maybe juggle isn't the right word, but as we juggled our funds so we could pay the cost associated with the defense of the litigation on the landfill. As an ability to get the Indianapolis lawyers paid, I suggested we simply pay those lawyers out of the funds that are normally set aside for my work for you. And this is simply an effort to replenish those funds so that you can pay me.

Mr. Carmichael, Okay. Thank you.

Mr. Steele moved to grant the request for additional appropriations submitted by Council 01.25, $13,835 to 3110 Legal. Mrs. Conover seconded, motion carried on a 6-0 roll call vote.

PORTER COUNTY LIBRARY CAPITAL PROJECTS PLAN
Resolution 04-5-25
Resolution 04-5-25
Fiscal Body Review
Resolution to Approve Library Capital Projects Plan

Whereas, the Porter County Public Library System has adopted a Library Capital Projects Plan as provided for in IC 20-14-13, be it resolved that the Porter County Council, Porter County, Indiana, being the appropriate Fiscal Body for the Porter County Public Library System as designated in IC 20-14-13-6, does hereby approve the Plan for 2005 as submitted.
Adopted this 25th day of May 2004 by the following aye and nay vote:

(Aye)(Nay)
s/ William Carmichael____________________
s/ Karen Conover____________________
s/ Carole Knoblock____________________
s/ John Ruge____________________
s/ Robert Poparad____________________
s/ Al Steele____________________
s/ Rita Stevenson____________________
Attest: s/ Sandra Vuko, Auditor

Certificate of County Auditor
State of Indiana)
SS:
County of Porter)

I, Sandy Vuko do hereby certify that I am the duly elected, qualified, and acting Auditor of Porter County, Indiana.
I further certify that no remonstrance has been filed to the establishment of a Library Capital Projects Fund by the Porter County Library Board, Porter County, State of Indiana, during the ten (10) days following the Second Notice publication on the __ day of _______, 2004 the notice to re-establish the aforementioned fund.
Subscribed and sworn under my hand and seal of Porter County, this __ day of _____, 2004.
Seal
s/ Sandy Vuko, Auditor of Porter County

Mr. Carmichael, Okay, the Porter County Library Capital Projects Plan. Good evening.

Don Johnson, Good evening.

Mr. Carmichael, How are you?

At this time, Mr. Poparad returned to the meeting.

Mr. Johnson, Before we begin I'd like to tell you that we have three of our board members here; Mary Bradford, Judith Henson and Gerrie Bowie. Jim Cline is the assistant director. If you will turn to page 8, if you have your agenda here--from what I sent you--just as a reminder, the State requires each year to set up a three-year program, although only the year 2005 may be approved.
But if you look on page 8, we begin 2005 with a cash balance of $1,933,211. We anticipate bringing in property tax of $892,832; Auto Excise and Financial Institution Tax, $67,000; and Other Revenue, which we interest at $10,000. We have total funds available for the Plan of $2,903,043.
The actual expenses of the Plan, $50,000 for the emergency fund; $100,000 to lease, repair and maintenance of the equipment; and $314,400 for the purchase, lease, repair, and maintenance of the computer hardware and the computer software. Our total budget is $464,400. The allocations of future would be money that would go towards the Porter Township branch, $2,438,643. Our total expenditures and allocation, $2,903,043.
On the next page, for 2005, we anticipate in assessed valuation somewhere around $6,730,019,580. Our tax rate would be .0133. So about one and one third cent, which would bring in a tax levy of $892,832. For the year 2005, our expenditures for equipment of $100,000, we are looking at purchasing three photocopiers for the Portage, Valparaiso, in the graphics department. Four: Steel ranks of single and double faced shelving for the Portage, South Haven, Kouts, and Valparaiso library. One microfilm cabinet for the genealogy department. One reader printer machine for the genealogy department. At the entrances of all our buildings, which next year will be ten years old, we have carpet mats. We need to replace the carpet strips in those mats. We're not going to remove the sealed mats, but just replace the carpeting that is ten years old. We're also looking purchasing five DVD inspection/repair machines, one for each building in the system. One color printer for the graphics department. One folding--paper folding--machine for the graphics department, and one digital camera for the graphics department, in order for us to have pictures in our monthly newsletter that goes out, we need a digital camera.
The $314,400 is made for the following. The State does allow us to pay the salary and benefits of our automation maintenance personnel. We have two full-time staff members. This year we are going to the Dynix Horizon software program and hardware program. We need $142,400 for the maintenance of the contract with Dynix. We need to replace 50 dumb terminals and outdated PC's, and we need office software and six new printers. That's the total for 2005.

Mr. Steele, I have a question.

Mr. Johnson, Yes.

Mr. Steele, The full-time equivalent library automation maintenance personnel, those are people who are already onboard. Is that correct?

Mr. Johnson, Yes, they are. Two staff members.

Mr. Steele, So they make about $57,000 a year including benefits.

Mr. Johnson, Yes.

Mr. Steele, And that increases about $5,000 a year. Is that correct?

Mr. Johnson, That's correct.

Mr. Steele, So in '06, they will be making about $62,000 apiece. Is that right?

Mr. Johnson, Approximately, yes.

Mr. Steele, I have another question. You said that the anticipated construction of each of the new libraries is about $3,000,000 for each one. Can you explain why they cost that much? Why a building costs that much for a library?

Mr. Johnson, That's using the monies that we had planned for each of the five buildings, and using the increase what the architects felt would be needed.

Mr. Steele, But why $3,000,000? You can build another building that would disseminate information, I would think which a library is, for a lot less. It seems $3,000,000 is a rather substantial structure. Can you explain to me what maybe is inside this building or why $3,000,000 per building?

Mr. Johnson, Well we're looking at somewhere around 14,000 to 15,000 square feet. We have the adult circulation department, the children's department. We have an automation...

Jim Cline, An AV.

Mr. Johnson, An AV department.

Mr. Cline, The library buildings have a special requirement as far as load-bearing capacity, because of the weight of the books. So it does cost extra to build them as opposed to a number of other buildings, because you have to account for that. We looked at the cost of our previous buildings that we had done in South Haven and Kouts, and then tacked on an inflationary guesstimate with that figure. It's not a firm figure.

Mr. Steele, Thank you. That's the kind of information I need. I can understand load-bearing and so forth, so that would drive the price up.

Mr. Cline, Yes.

Mr. Steele, Great, thank you.

Mr. Carmichael, Any other questions?

Mr. Ruge, There'll be, there might be two new libraries, one in Porter Township, and one in Jackson?

Mr. Johnson, Jackson Township, yes. And we have figured anywhere from 2.2 to 2.5 million dollars is saved by us doing this way in building capital projects, other than going out and bonding. We won't have to have a bond, we'll be able to build the building, and pay for it, and save the interest.

Mr. Carmichael, Any other questions? What's the Council's pleasure?

Mr. Ruge moved to approve the Library Capital Projects Plan submitted for the year 2005. Mr. Poparad seconded, motion carried on a unanimous voice vote.

Mr. Cline, Thank you very much.

Mr. Johnson, Thank you.

Mr. Carmichael, Thanks, Don.

ATTORNEY'S REPORT
Ordinance 04-5-25
Porter County Tax Anticipation Warrants Update

Ordinance 04-5-25

An Ordinance authorizing the County of Porter, Indiana to make temporary loans to meet current running expenses for the use of the Family and Children Services Fund of an Issuer, in anticipation of and not in excess of current taxes levied in the year 2003, and collectable in the year 2004 (including property tax replacement revenues); authorizing the issuance of temporary loan tax anticipation warrant to evidence such loans and the sale of such warrants to the Indiana Bond Bank; and appropriating and pledging the taxes to be received in such funds to the punctual payment of such warrants including the interest thereon.
Whereas, the County Council (the "Fiscal Body") of the County of Porter, Indiana (the "Issuer") has determined that there will be an insufficient amount of money in the Family and Children Services Fund of the Issuer (the "Funds") to meet the current running expenses of the Issuer payable from such Funds during the fiscal year ending on the last day of December 2004, and prior to the respective June 2004 (that is, the first) and December 2004 (that is, the second and final) settlements and distribution of taxes levied for such Funds (including property tax replacement revenues); and
Whereas, the Fiscal Body now finds that an emergency exists for the borrowing of money to pay current running expenses and that temporary loans for the Funds for such purposes should be made and that temporary loan tax anticipation warrants evidencing such loans should be issued and sold, subject to the terms and conditions set forth herein and in accordance with the provisions of Indiana law; and
Whereas, the Fiscal Body has determined to participate in a mid-year warrant assistance program (the "Program") established by the Indiana Bond Bank (the "Bond Bank") for 2004 whereby the Bond Bank will purchase the temporary loan tax anticipation warrants and/or temporary interim warrants of the Issuer; and
Whereas, the levy (including property tax replacement revenues) proposed for collection for the Funds in 2004 is estimated to produce in the aggregate, with respect to such Funds, and amount equal to or in excess of the principal of and interest on the temporary loans for such Funds; and
Whereas, a necessity exists for the making of temporary loans evidenced by temporary loan tax anticipation warrants for the Funds in anticipation of the receipt of current revenues for such Funds levied for the year 2003 and in the course of collection in 2004 (including property tax replacement revenues) and the Fiscal Body desires to authorize the making of temporary loans to procure the amounts necessary, in combination with other available amounts, to meet such current running expenses for such Funds and to pay necessary cost incurred in connection with the issuance and sale of temporary loan tax anticipation warrants to evidence such temporary loans; and
Whereas, unless otherwise disclosed in writing to the Bond Bank, the Issuer has not previously issued temporary loan tax anticipation warrants payable from 2004 tax revenue with respect to the Funds; and
Whereas the Fiscal Body seek to authorize the issuance of such temporary loan tax anticipation warrants and/or temporary interim warrants with respect to the Funds and the sale of such warrants to the Bond Bank pursuant to the provision of Indiana Code 5-1.5, subject to and dependent upon the terms and conditions hereinafter set forth.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT ORDAINED BY THE COUNTY COUNCIL OF THE COUNTY OF PORTER, INDIANA AS FOLLOWS:
Section 1. It is hereby found and declared that an emergency exists for the borrowing of money and therefore the Issuer is hereby authorized to make temporary loans to meet current running expenses for the use and benefit of each of the Funds of the Issuer in anticipation of estimated current tax revenues levied for the year 2003 and in the course of collection for such Funds in 2004 (including property tax replacement revenues), which loans shall be evidence by temporary loan tax anticipation warrants of the Issuer (the "Warrants") issued pursuant to the provision of Indiana Code 36-2-6-18 as in effect on the date of their respective issuance. A separate Warrant or Warrants shall be issued for each Fund and each maturity date and all Warrants shall be dated as of the date of delivery thereof to the Bond Bank. Subject to the provision of Indiana Code 36-2-6-18 as in effect on the date of their respective issuance, the Issuer is authorized to issue Warrants maturing and payable on or before December 31, 2004 in aggregate amounts not to exceed the following for the respective identified funds:

Family and Children Services Fund: $1,080,935.

The Warrants shall bear interest prior to maturity at a rate or rates per annum not to exceed a maximum of 6.5%. The exact rate or rates are to be determined under the terms of a warrant purchase agreement between the Bond Bank and the Issuer to be entered into prior to the sale of the Warrants to the Bond Bank (the "Warrant Purchase Agreement"), in accordance with the provisions of Indiana Code 5-1.5. Interest shall be calculated on the basis of a 360-day year comprised of twelve 30-day months. The Warrants shall be deemed to be issued in denominations of One Dollar ($1) or integral multiples thereof not exceeding the aggregate principal amount of the Warrants.
Notwithstanding any provision in this Ordinance (or in the form of Warrant Purchase Agreement available to the Issuer as of the date of the adoption of this Ordinance and incorporated by reference into this Ordinance), conforming changes may be made by the Issuer's officers to the form of any Warrant and the Warrant Purchase Agreement prior to the issuance of Warrants to provide the due date of the Warrants, which may be June 30, 2004, December 31, 2004, or a date fixed by reference to the Issuers receipt of its settlement of the funds in anticipation of which any Warrant is issued, or any combination thereof.
The issuer is authorized to make payments of principal and interest on the Warrants by paying the amount due from funds that are available for immediate transfer or investment on or before 12:00 noon (Indianapolis time) on the due date to the corporate trust entity selected or determined by the Bond Bank to serve as the "trustee" under n Note Indenture (the "Trustee") through which noted are issued by the Bond Bank and the Warrants are purchased and pledged by the Bond Bank thereunder as designated by the Bond Bank. In the event that the principal corporate trust office of the Trustee in immediately available funds on or before 12:00 noon (Indianapolis time) on the Due Date (as defined in the Warrant Purchase Agreement and in each warrant), the Issuer shall pay the Bond Bank its allocation portion of all fees and expenses of the Bond Bank (including a charge in an amount equal to the Reinvestment Rate (as defined in the Warrant Purchase Agreement) that would accrue on the amount due and owing (the unpaid principal and accrued interest to the Due Date) from the Due Date until paid) resulting therefrom. In addition, the Issuer shall be responsible for payment to the Bond Bank of its allocation portion of all fees and expenses attributable to a request for payment under any Credit Facility Agreement (as defined in the Warrant Purchase Agreement) resulting from a failure by the Issuer to pay in full the principal of and interest on the Warrants on their due date.
With the force and effect provided for in Indiana Code 5-1-5-9 and -10, the Qualified Entity hereby irrevocable pledges and appropriates the proceeds of the Warrants, or other legally available monies as are required to provide for the payment of all outstanding warrants (including interest thereon) with any maturity date on or before December 31, 2004 related to any Fund against which a Warrant is issued pursuant to this Ordinance, and covenants to so apply the proceeds thereon on and as of the issuance of the Warrants to their payment unless the Bond Bank has consented in writing to such warrants remaining outstanding after the issuance of the Warrants.
Section 2. With respect to each Fund and each maturity, the officer of the Issuer are authorized to deliver the principal amount of the Warrants up to or less than the maximum amount established for any such Fund and maturity date in Section 1 hereof in order to comply with all applicable laws and any requirements of the Bond Bank. The Warrants will be delivered on or before June 30, 2004, or otherwise as appropriate and in accordance with the terms of the Warrants Purchase Agreement.
In the event that the Issuer anticipates incurring cash flow deficits prior to the issuance and sale of the Warrants to the Bond Bank, the Issuer is hereby authorized to issue and sell temporary interim warrants to the Bond Bank. The issuance and sale of the temporary interim warrants shall be on substantially the same terms as the issuance and sale of the Warrants to the Bond Bank, all as set for in the Warrant Purchase Agreement. In the event that the temporary interim warrants are issued, all or a portion of the proceeds of the Warrants may be used to repay the temporary interim warrants. Provisions of this Ordinance relating to the issuance of Warrants shall also relate to the issuance of temporary interim warrants to the extent applicable. The Warrants may be issued in one or more series on one or more dates.
Section 3. The principal of and interest on the Warrants shall be payable from tax revenues to be received in the respective Fund upon which such Warrants is issued. There is hereby appropriated and pledge to the payment of the Warrants issued with respect to each Fund, including interest and all necessary costs incurred in connection with the issuance and sale of the Warrants, a sufficient amount of the taxes, levied for 2003, and payable in 2004 (including property tax replacement revenues), for such Fund and in anticipation of which the Warrants are issued, for the punctual payment of the principal of and interest on the Warrants evidencing such temporary loans, together with such issuance costs, if any, subject to the application of the tax revenues to be received in the respective Fund to any long term lease or debt obligations due contemporaneously with such Warrants; provided that the appropriation of moneys to the repayment of Warrants shall not cause the Issuer to violate the provisions of Indiana law or any contract, grant or other agreement to which the Issuer is a party; provided further that as a condition to participation in the Program, the Issuer has represented, that upon issuance of the Warrants, it will have no warrants other than the Warrants issuance pursuant to the Agreement remain outstanding that are payable form taxes levied for 2003 and payable in 2004, and the Warrants shall not in any respect to be subject to the prior payment of any outstanding warrants. The Issuer consents to the assignment by the Bond Bank to the Trustee under the Indenture of all the Bond Bank's right, title and interest granted by the Issuer to the Bond Bank under the Warrant Purchase Agreement. The Issuer covenants and agrees that it shall, if it fails to make any payment required herein when due, promptly undertake all actions, including the issuance of warrants issued to refund the unpaid Warrants that: (i) are necessary to cure such nonpayment , (ii) are legally available to cure such nonpayment, and (iii) do not, in the opinion of bond counsel, cause any of the Warrants to be considered debt of the Issuer within the meaning of Article 13, Section 1 of the Indiana Constitution or laws of the State of Indiana.
Section 4. The Warrants issued hereunder with respect to the Fund shall be executed in the name of the Issuer by the manual or facsimile signature of the Board of County Commissioners of the County of Porter, Indiana, and attested by the Auditor of the County of Porter, Indiana, or such other officers of the Issuer as may be permitted by law, provided at least one of such signatures is manually affixed. All Warrants shall be payable in lawful money of the United States of American at the principal corporate trust office of the Trustee.
Section 5. The Warrants with respect to each Fund shall be issued in substantially the following form (with all blanks, changes, additions and deletions, including the appropriate amounts, dates and other information to be properly completed prior to the execution and delivery thereof, as conclusively evidenced by the signatures of the officers of the Issuer affixed thereon):

[Form of Warrant]

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
STATE OF INDIANA COUNTY OF PORTER
TEMPORARY LOAN TAX ANTICIPATION WARRANT, SERIES 2004
Warrant Fund: _____________Fund
Dated Date:_______________, 2004
Due Date:________________, 2004
Principal Sum:$________________
Interest Rate:___ percent per annum
Authorization Date: Ordinance No.___, adopted ______,2004

FOR VALUE RECEIVED, on or before the Due Date set forth above (the "Due Date"), the County of Porter, Indian (the "Issuer"), shall pay to the Indiana Bond Bank (the "Bond Bank") the Principal Sum set forth above pursuant to a certain Warrant Purchase Agreement between the Bond Bank and the Issuer, dated as of April 15, 2004 (the "Agreement"). [This Warrant issued in anticipation of the First Semi-Annual Settlement (as defined in the Agreement).]
In addition, the Issuer on the Due Date hereof shall pay to the Bond Bank interest at the per annum Interest Rate set forth above pursuant to the Agreement, with such interest to be computed on the basis of a 360-day year comprised of twelve 30-day months. This Warrant shall be deemed to be issued in a minimum denomination of One Dollar ($1) or integral multiples thereof, which in the aggregate shall not exceed the principal amount of this Warrant. In the event that the principal of and interest on this Warrant are not paid in full to the Bond Bank at the principal corporate trust office of the Trustee (as defined in the Agreement) in immediately available funds on or before 12:00 noon (Indianapolis time) on the Due Date, the Issuer shall pay to the Bond Bank its allocation portion of all fees and expenses of the Bond Bank (including a charge in an amount equal to the Reinvestment Rate (as defined in the Agreement) that would accrue on the amount due and owing (the unpaid principal and accrued interest to such date) from the Due Date until paid) resulting therefrom.
All payments of principal and interest to be made by the Issuer to the Bond Bank shall be made by paying the amount due in funds that are available for immediate transfer for investment on or before 12:00 noon (Indianapolis time) on the payment date to the Trustee in St. Louis, Missouri (or to such other place of payment as may be specified in notice given by the Trustee or Bond Bank). The Issuer reserves the right to prepay this Warrant at any time prior to the Due Date upon giving the Trustee at least four Business Days prior notice.
This Warrant evidences a temporary loan to provide funds to meet current expenses of the Warrant Fund set forth above (the "Fund") and has been authorized by an ordinance passed and adopted by the County Council of the County of Porter, Indiana as referenced above, in accordance with Indiana Code 36-2-6-18 and all other acts amendatory thereof or supplemental thereto.
This Warrant is issued in anticipation of the tax levy which has been made for the Fund in the year 2003, which tax levy is now in the course of collection (including property tax replacement revenues). There has been irrevocably appropriated and pledged to the payment in full of the principal of and interest on this Warrant a sufficient amount of the revenues to be derived from the Fund tax levy (including property tax replacement revenues), subject to the application of the tax revenues to be received in the Fund to any long term lease or debt obligations due contemporaneously with such Warrants; provided that the appropriation of moneys to the repayment of Warrants shall not cause the Issuer to violate the provisions of Indiana law or any contract, grant or agreement to which the Issuer is a party: provided further that as a condition to participation in the Program, the Issuer has represented, that upon issuance of this Warrant, it will have no warrants other than the Warrants issued pursuant to the Agreement remain outstanding that are payable from taxies levied for 2003 and payable in 2004, and this Warrant shall not in any respect to be subject t the prior payment of any outstanding warrants. The principal amount of all Warrants maturing on the Due Date and payable from the Fund does not exceed forty percent (40%) of the 2004 annual budget levy for the Fund (including property tax replacement revenues) as certified or estimated by the Indiana Department of Local Government Finance.
It is further hereby certified, recited, and declared that all acts, conditions, and things required by law precedent to the issuance and execution of this Warrant have been properly done, have happened, and have been performed in the manner required by the constitution and statutes of the State of Indiana relating thereto; that the Fund tax levy (including property tax replacement revenues) from which (together with other amounts in the Fund) this Warrant is payable is a valid and legal levy: and that the Issuer will reserve a sufficient amount of the proceeds of the Fund tax levy (including property tax replacement revenues) currently in the course of collection for the timely payment of the principal of and interest on this Warrant in accordance with its terms
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the County of Porter, Indiana, has caused this Warrant to be executed in its corporate name by the Board of County Commissioners of the County of Porter, Indiana, and attested by the Auditor of the County of Porter, Indiana, all as of the above Dated Date.
COUNTY OF PORTER, INDIANA
BY ITS BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
s/ David Burrus
s/ John Evans
s/ Robert Harper
Attest: s/Sandra Vuko, Auditor, County of Porter, Indiana

Notwithstanding anything in this Ordinance to the contrary (including this form of Warrant in this Section 5 herein), each Warrant (as well as any other papers or certification delivered in connection therewith) can be signed by one or more of the County Commissioners and need not be signed by all members of the Board of County Commissioners.
Section 6. The fiscal officer of the Issuer (the "Fiscal Officer") is hereby authorized and directed to have the Warrants prepared, and each of the executive officers of the Issuer, or such other officers as may be permitted by law, are hereby authorized and directed to execute the Warrants in the manner and substantially the form provided in this Ordinance, as conclusively evidenced by their execution thereof.
Section 7. The Fiscal Officer, on behalf of the Issuer, is authorized to sell the Bond Bank the Warrants. The Warrant Purchase Agreement shall set forth the definitive terms and conditions for such sale. Warrants sold to the Bond Bank shall be accompanied by all documentation required by the Bond Bank pursuant to the provisions of Indiana Code 5-1.5 and the Warrant Purchase Agreement, including without limitation, an approving opinion of Bingham McHale LLP, specifically designated qualified obligation bond counsel for the Warrants under the terms set forth in such firm's letter to the Issuer; certification and guarantee of signatures (or if permitted by the Bond Bank, such other evidence of the authenticity of signatures); and certification as to no litigation pending as of the date of delivery of the Warrants to the Bond Bank challenging the validity or issuance of the Warrants. The entry by the Issuer into the Warrant Purchase Agreement and the execution of the Warrant Purchase Agreement, on behalf of the Issuer by any of the executive officers of the Issuer, or such other officers as may be permitted by law, in accordance with this Ordinance, are hereby authorized and approved.
Section 8. The proper officers of the Issuer are herby authorized to deliver the Warrants to the Bond Bank, upon receipt form the Bond Bank of the payment or otherwise as appropriate and in accordance with the terms of the Warrant Purchase Agreement.
Section 9. Each of the executive officers of the Issuer (including, without limitation, any Authorized Official as defined in the Warrant Purchase Agreement), or such other officers as may be permitted by law are hereby authorized and directed to make such filings and requests, deliver such certifications, execute and deliver such documents and instruments, and otherwise take such actions as are necessary or appropriate to carry out the terms and conditions of this Ordinance and the actions authorized hereby and thereby.
Section 10. The Issuer hereby covenants that the Issuer and its officers shall not take any action or fail to take any action with respect to the proceeds of any of the Warrants or any investment earnings thereon which would result in constituting any of the Warrants as "arbitrage bonds" under the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, as amended, and any and all final or proposed regulations or rulings applicable thereto, or which would otherwise cause the interest on any of the Warrants to cease to be excludable from gross income for purposes of federal income taxation; and the Fiscal Officer and all other appropriate officers are hereby authorized and directed to take any and all actions and to make and deliver any and all reports, filings, and certifications as may be necessary or appropriate to evidence, establish, or ensure such continuing exclusion of the interest on the Warrants.
Section 11. Notwithstanding any other provision of this Ordinance or any Warrant, in the event any determination has been made by any court of proper jurisdiction whereby a finding or ruling is made to the effect that, absent application of this provision, the aggregate amount of any Warrant (whether as to its principal or interest amounts or both) exceeds the maximum amount that is permitted to law to be issued and outstanding for the maturity date stated therein (such excess over any such limitation referred to as the "Excess Amount") and such would otherwise cause a Warrant to be invalid, then the form of the Warrant that was issued shall be deemed to be modified from that stated on its face in such a manner to fist deem the Excess Amount to be a separate additional Warrant identical in terms to the original except that it shall have as its "due date" June 30, 2004 and its "principal sum" an amount equal to the maximum remaining permitted amount for all warrants with such a due date (a "Replacement Warrant"), provided, however, if an Excess Amount exceeds the principal amount of such a Replacement Warrant, then such remaining balance should be treated as a fee charged by the Bond Bank pursuant to Section 5.10 of its Warrant Purchase Agreement with the Qualified Entity and not treated as part of the principal sum of any Warrant or Replacement Warrant.
Section 12. This Ordinance shall be in full force and effect from and after the time it has been adopted by the Fiscal Body. All resolutions and ordinances n conflict herewith are, to extent of such conflict, hereby repealed. For the benefit of the Bond Bank, the Fiscal Body hereby finds and determines that the adoption of the Ordinance is intended to be, and for all purposes shall be deemed to be, a resolution authorizing the sale of libations within the meaning of Indiana Code 5-1-14-13, and accordingly no action to contest the validity of any Warrants authorized herein, and hereafter issued, may be brought more than 15 days after the date set forth below.
ADOPTED AND APPROVED BY the County Council of the County of Porter, Indiana, this ___ day of _________, 2004.

s/ William R. Carmichael, President
Presiding Officer
County Council

ATTEST: s/ Sandra Vuko, Auditor

Mr. Carmichael, Dave, did you have a report.

Mr. Hollenbeck, Jon, if you want to come up. As I've written to you, the Porter County Office of the Division of Family & Children, and Jon is here to answer any questions you may have. It's a state agency, but it is funded at least partially through a real estate property tax that is imposed on property in Porter County. Specifically, and help me Jon, the name of the fund is Family and?

Jon Rutkowski, The Family & Children Fund.

Mr. Hollenbeck, And why don't you quickly indicate to the Council where that money goes, how you spend that money.

Mr. Rutkowski, Funds from the Family & Children Fund, we use for foster care payments, foster care assistance, adoption assistance, care of wards and therapeutic foster homes. The primary expense from that fund is for care of both wards of the OFC and juvenile delinquents and residential placement centers.

Mr. Hollenbeck, And as I've indicated to you in my correspondence, not all that surprisingly since this a fund that is sensitive to the real estate property tax collection issue, the delays associated there with have produce a cash flow statement for Jon that looks very similar to ours in terms of shortfalls in going into the negative. I sent you a copy of that.
With that in mind, and Jon talking to his state people, they are indicating that the county divisions need to issue, go through the process of issuing tax anticipation warrants, much like we have had to do. Jon's agency is telling him to use the Indiana Bond Bank for that purpose, and Jon has gone through all those procedures, made the application, and is now before you this evening. I sent you a copy of the Ordinance that needs your adoption and approval so that we can proceed with the issuance of tax warrant so that Jon can pay his bills in this fund. Just like your tax warrants, there have to be paid back by December 31st of this year. Mr. Ruge.

Mr. Ruge, What's the amount on that money to be raised, these tax anticipation warrants. I could never find it. How much?

Mr. Hollenbeck, It's on, it's in the ordinance, John. It's on page two.

Mr. Ruge, How much is it?

Mr. Hollenbeck, It's $1,080,935, and that figure is calculated on how much is anticipated to be raised by the tax rate, and that, obviously he can't borrow more than what he's going to get from taxes. So that's the stop loss in terms of that.

Mr. Ruge, Thank you.

Mr. Hollenbeck, You're welcome. So in that sense, Jon sits before you facing the exact same problem that we have faced. I'm not going to kid you, and Jon's aware of this. Jon's problems are deeper than that. As the result of the changes in the tax reform bills in Indianapolis, Jon, and I believe, almost virtually every other county in the state are going to experience a revenue shortfall, so in addition to cash flow problems, Jon's agency, I believe is going to, has projected about a $240,000, $250,000. Is that about right?

Mr. Rutkowski, In the neighborhood of $300,000 for 2004.

Mr. Hollenbeck, A $300,000 shortfall in 2004, which is another issue he's going to have to deal with. Of course, you can't be a lot of help on that issue. He's going to have to revisit his budget, and figure out what he's going to do. But at least the cash flow part of this, the remedy is to do exactly what we've done already, and that's to issue tax anticipation warrants.

Mr. Carmichael, Dave, the appeal process has resulted in many appeals being granted, and payment has been made back to these individual taxpayers. How is that going to figure into this figure? If these figures are the maximum amount to be collected by the County, we don't know what the maximum amount will be collected by the County.

Mr. Hollenbeck, Right, and...

Mr. Carmichael, Is there a cushion?
Mr. Hollenbeck, Yes, there's no intent to borrow that much money.

Mr. Rutkowski, No, I think that based on the information, the feedback I've had so far from the Indiana Bond Bank, there looks to be that the amount that we borrow will probably be in the neighborhood of $416,000, so. They had that $1,080,935, that's in the paperwork, but our intent is not to borrow that much money. We have to repay this in December.

Mr. Hollenbeck, Right, nor will the Indiana Bond Bank allow that.

Mr. Rutkowski, No, they won't.

Mr. Carmichael, Okay, thank you.

Mr. Hollenbeck, So, unless there's any questions or concerns that I can address.

Mr. Poparad, Yes, I've got a question.

Mr. Hollenbeck, Mr. Poparad.

Mr. Poparad, This ordinance seems to be addressed to the commissioners.

Mr. Hollenbeck, Actually, what it is, imbedded in this ordinance is a copy of the warrant, and the warrant is, we still have to get the commissioners to approve the warrant. But if you turn to the last page, Bob, you'll see.

Mr. Poparad, I've seen that. I didn't think we did ordinances

Mr. Hollenbeck, Well, yes, you do. Yes, for tax warrants. That's exactly how we do it.

Mr. Poparad, Okay.

Mr. Hollenbeck, But if you turn to page six, you'll see lines for the commissioners.

Mr. Poparad, Right.

Mr. Hollenbeck, The reason for that is because pages, starting at the bottom of page four of the ordinance, all of page five and six is simply the format of warrants that the County will issue, which will have to be signed just like your tax warrants have to be signed by the county commissioners.

Mr. Poparad, Nice healthy interest rate on those.

Mr. Hollenbeck, Yes, 1.6.

Mr. Poparad, 6.5?

Mr. Rutkowski, I think that...

Mr. Hollenbeck, No, no, no.

Mr. Rutkowski, The last contact that we had with Bingham & McHale they indicated to us that either on June 18th or June 21st they would fax us the information, which would let us know the principal amount that we can borrow and what the interest rate will be.

Mr. Hollenbeck, And this is a mid-year issuance by the Bond Bank. The issuance they made in January, I think, was around 1.6%. I don't know what it will be. So unless there's, I'll certainly answer any questions you have. I've reviewed all this with Jon. Its in proper legal form, and I would suggest, Mr. Chairman that you entertain a motion to adopt the Ordinance.

Mr. Poparad moved to adopt the first reading of Ordinance 04-5-25, authorizing the borrowing for tax anticipation warrants for the Office of Family & Children in Porter County. Mrs. Conover seconded, motion carried on a unanimous voice vote.

Mr. Hollenbeck, Mr. Chairman, because it is in ordinance format, you need entertain a motion then to waive the requirement.

Mr. Carmichael, Is there a motion to waive the requirement, and have a second reading?

Mr. Poparad moved to waive the time requirement for the second reading of Ordinance 04-5-25. Mrs. Conover seconded, motion carried on a unanimous voice vote.

Mr. Carmichael, The motion now is to allow it on second reading. Do I have a motion?

Mr. Poparad moved to adopt Ordinance 04-5-25 on second reading. Mr. Steele seconded, motion carried on a unanimous voice vote.

Mr. Hollenbeck, Jon, I will be in touch and we'll work through it. I think you've got a closing date with the Bond Bank in June.

Mr. Rutkowski, June 11th.

Mr. Hollenbeck, Okay, I'll be in touch.

Mr. Rutkowski, Thank you.

Mr. Hollenbeck, As I have also reported to you, we kind of ran the end of gamut here in terms of cash. We held off on accessing your tax warrants as long as we could with the auditor, but that day arrived last Friday. So I closed on your tax warrants on Friday, and the auditor's office accessed $4,000,000 of the $10,000,000 that you authorized. We're still hoping that, depending on when the tax bills go out, last year we used almost all of that $10,000,000. This year I'm hoping it will be closer to $6,000,000 that we will actually have to access as part of the tax warrant process. Mr. President, I believe that's the end of my report.

Mr. Carmichael, Second reading.

SECOND READING

Mr. Poparad, Mr. Chairman, Bill, I think on the assessor's, she lumped in the $20,000 salaries on the second reading or am I reading that wrong. Did she deduct that?

Ms. Noll, No, she didn't say it.

Mr. Poparad, Did she deduct it?

Ms. Noll, Yes.

Ms. Rubens, Yes.

Mr. Poparad, I'm sorry.

Mr. Carmichael, Do I have a motion to adopt?

Mr. Poparad moved to approve second reading. Mr. Ruge seconded, motion carried on a unanimous voice vote.

INSURANCE INFORMATION REQUEST

Mr. Carmichael, Is there any other business to come before this Council at this time?

Mr. Poparad, Yes, I have a request if the Council would agree. In conjunction with Mr. Harper, if we could send a letter to the department heads for the upcoming budgets, They would like the health care of that department put in that department's budget; PERF; you know, soft costs be put in their budget. Each department will have their own. Like in the case of automobile insurance, that put in, whichever department has automobiles. That gives us a little, that gives them a little clearer picture, and us a little clearer picture of the health care costs for Dale's office, let's say.

Mr. Hollenbeck, I was going to say...

Ms. Brewer, I've got to stick up for the auditor.

Mr. Hollenbeck, I know what she's going to say. That's going to drive the auditor's crazy.

Ms. Brewer, It's major.

Mr. Poparad, I agree with that.

Mr. Hollenbeck, They're going to have to take out, how many budgets are there, 90?

Mr. Poparad, Two.

Mr. Hollenbeck, They are going to have to go every month, go through 90 budgets and take out...

Mr. Poparad, No, just the health care costs for Dale's budget, for Dale's department.

Ms. Brewer, There's already a report like that that Sheila does for you at every budget hearing.

Mr. Poparad, And I agree, I...

Ms. Brewer, That shows you the amounts.

Mr. Poparad, This is in conjunction with the commissioners in their health care budget to get this busted out so we can see what...

Ms. Brewer, Well there is a report available to you...

Mr. Poparad, Correct.

Ms. Brewer, For every person whether it's family, single whatever, by department.

Mr. Poparad, Right. Yes, but it's not in your budget. Your health care costs do not appear in your budget.

Ms. Brewer, Well it never has and...

Mr. Poparad, Correct, it never has, and we'd like to see it appear in your budget, so we actually know what the clerk's office costs the County.

Ms. Brewer, Well you can do that by looking at that report.

Mr. Poparad, I'd like this if the Council would agree to send a letter.

Ms. Brewer, I just think you're making a nightmare for the auditor.

Mr. Poparad, I talked to Sandy about it; she's already mad at me about it. But I mean this is in conjunction with what the commissioners want to clean up their budget in terms of the soft costs of the employees.
Mr. Carmichael, No.

Mr. Poparad, I mean it can't be that hard, is it?

Mr. Carmichael, We'll have to hire another person.

Ms. Brewer, You don't know how time consuming it will be. She'll have to write a check out of every...

Mr. Poparad, No, no, no. No, we're not talking about putting the money there yet. We just wanted it in your budget, at the budget process, and we're still talking about what...

Ms. Brewer, Do you want a sheet to tell you?

Mr. Poparad, Yes, that's fine, no, there's a line item on the budget.

Ms. Brewer, Or do you want...

Mr. Poparad, There's a line item in your budget.

Ms. Brewer, Right.

Mr. Poparad, Right. Fill that number in. That's not to say it's going to stay there, but at least it's going to give us a shot at what it looks like. This is what they wanted to get their budget a little better cleaned up.

Ms. Brewer, Well then I don't know why you wouldn't just use the report, because it's already done for you.

Mr. Poparad, This is more of a request from...

Mr. Steele, Could each department save us the trouble, and go get the report for their department and put it right beside their budget?

Ms. Brewer, Do you want us to make two budgets? One with, and one without?

Mr. Steele, That's not, no. I said one more sheet on your budget.

Ms. Brewer, That's what I'm thinking. Just an extra sheet, not put it in the budget. I mean it's very easy to do.

Mr. Poparad, Okay.

Mr. Steele, We just want the information.

Mr. Poparad, How much are you guys after, Bob, in this, about? Do you want it out of your budget, is that what you guys are after?

Com. Harper, I don't think we've decided.

Mr. Poparad, Okay, it's still up in the air. At least maybe have the departments and the elected officials gather the information.

Ms. Brewer, Well it's already, all they have to do is print it off.

Mr. Hollenbeck, I think that information is available.

Mr. Poparad, Okay.

Mr. Steele, But why can't they go down and do it, instead of us going to 92 different...
Ms. Brewer, It's...

Mr. Hollenbeck, No, no, you don't have to. There's already a sheet in the auditor's office that will tell you exactly how much is being spent for each department...

Ms. Brewer, By department.

Mr. Hollenbeck, On health care, and...

Ms. Brewer, PERF, everything.

Mr. Hollenbeck, But the problem is going to be, and the auditor can stand up for herself, and I understand why she'd be upset with you. If you do it that way, then, how many budgets are there?

Mr. Steele, 92.

Mr. Hollenbeck, Somebody every month is going to have to sit down at a computer, and make 92 withdrawal entries from appropriations, whereas right now she makes one. So you're taking one entry on a computer, and adding 91 more entries to take that out.

Mr. Poparad, I think all anybody wants to know is what it's, we'll use Dale's office, what are the soft costs in Dale's office.

Mr. Hollenbeck, And that...

Mr. Poparad, That's all anybody was after here.

Mr. Hollenbeck, Number is readily available right now in the auditor's office.

Mr. Poparad, Is that possible, Bill? Or is that, I mean...

Mr. Carmichael, No, I think it's just extra paperwork that, you know, we're not giving them any employees now. Do you want to give them some more part-time to get these forms filled out? I don't think so. Do we have a motion?

Mr. Steele, Could that be a catch to our next agenda, to show us what is available.

Ms. Brewer, Yes, I'll get you a copy.

Mr. Steele, And maybe satisfy us, our question.

Ms. Brewer, Hear that, girls, I'll be down tomorrow.

Mr. Hollenbeck, That's a sheet that's readily available right now.

Ms. Brewer, I wrote that spreadsheet myself for budget hearings.

Mr. Steele, But why can't they do that for us, David?

Mr. Hollenbeck, Well they can.

Mr. Steele, Okay, then I would ask that they just do it.

Mr. Hollenbeck, The only issue I'm raising. If we are to move the appropriation from one budget, and break it up into 92 budgets, that's going to create a significant additional workload on somebody in the auditor's office; because now when the charge is made against the appropriation, it will have to be made out of 92 appropriations instead of one.

Mr. Carmichael, Yes.
Mr. Steele, If that sheet is given to each one of us, then we can look at budget time...

Mr. Hollenbeck, Absolutely.

Mr. Steele, And that's very easy to do.

Mr. Hollenbeck, Okay, but I'm not sure that's something; it's my sense that, and Bob said you haven't decided yet.

Com. Harper, Well we, you know, everyone's been talking about personnel. Number one, we formed the safety committee, which Bill is your representative to it. Everyone in the past, at least the motion in forming this committee to study these budgets and so forth, but I don't think you guys have officially appointed a couple of people to that committee.
And maybe, I'd like to start meeting so we can decide some of these issues. One thing, you know, we discussed, is just like these police cars--what we did tonight; no regular place that that's budgeted every year. I mean it's just like cash, the cash is in, and then it doesn't appear in the sheriff's department budget. So the commissioners have to worry. I mean, it's just sort of an ambiguous thing, and some of these things need to be straightened out.
So maybe tonight, if you would select the people to work on this committee, we can start getting the meetings rolling, and start talking about these things. And the same thing is true about that health budget, you know. Me and you and you hire new employees, and if you don't figure that money in our budget, all of a sudden we're just sort of hopeless, you know.

Mr. Hollenbeck, And that's, I think that's the problem.

Com. Harper, We actually let this thing go by.

Mr. Hollenbeck, That's the problem the commissioners face, and I'm not sure by dividing it up, we don't just create another problem and communication when new employees are hired, so we know how that's going to impact on that. I think we've accomplished what we are trying to do.

Mr. Carmichael, Now wait a minute. You know the exact cost when you hire an agent to do the insurance for you. You have those figures in front of you. You know what the cost of the plan and the program is. You've got it laid out in front of you. What more do you need?

Com. Harper, What I'm saying is, people have been hired here in the past, and I haven't seen that since I've been here, but if you would have hired, and you approve so much in somebody's budget for that person, and everybody forgets there's another 10-grand over here in the commissioners' budget that's not put in the budget.

Mr. Carmichael, Well the only ones that we've hired are out of a separate fund, not out of the general fund, and that comes out of that particular fund. It's reimbursed to the health and care fund, period.

Com. Harper, Well I don't think that's true.

Mr. Carmichael, So you have income there. You can't count them as a loss against the regular county general fund. The highway department is an example. The health department is an example. They pay it out of their own funds.

Com. Harper, Right, but not everybody does.

Mr. Steele, No, but not everybody.

Mr. Hollenbeck, Anyone who is in the general fund, Bob's point is that that adds to your expense, because it's carried in your budget as a line item.

Mr. Carmichael, Then you have to get the income. Somebody has to look up, and see what income you have coming from other sources added to this fund. Maybe we can hire some part-time help to do that.

Com. Harper, Well.

Mr. Carmichael, Entertain a motion to adjourn.

Ms. Noll, Oh no, wait.

Mr. Steele, Bill, wait a minute, let's resolve this thing. Why can't they just attach that information, and we can call it out.

Mr. Ruge, The Clerk had a budget that we approved, and tonight we ordered not to give her the use of that money in the budget. How can we do that? Was that a vote of 4 to 3, or something? How, she has the money in a budget that we approved, and voted tonight again, 4 to 3 against giving her money out of that budget. How can we do that.? I can't, I can't see that. She has the money in the budget. We won't let her use it. What is, am I…

Mr. Carmichael, No, John, this…

Mr. Ruge, I can't understand this.

Mr. Carmichael, It was an additional. It was an additional.

Mr. Ruge, Oh, I thought it was in her budget.

Mr. Carmichael, No, the additional appropriation.

Mr. Ruge, Oh, I'm sorry.

Mrs. Knoblock, It's just…

Mr. Carmichael, We did a…

Mrs. Knoblock, Go ahead, Bill.

Mr. Hollenbeck, I'll, Al, I'll work with the auditor's office to make sure that you have a breakdown on one piece of paper or one and a half pages of each 92 budgets, and what in that budget is costing us for…

Mr. Steele, Each department.

Mr. Hollenbeck, Health insurance and all that stuff.

Mr. Steele, For each department.

Mr. Hollenbeck, Right.

Mr. Steele, And that's all we asked for.

Mr. Hollenbeck, Right.

Mr. Steele, It's just information because we are working with the commissioners. It's one of the programs we've started, and that's why we asked for it. Nothing difficult.

Mrs. Knoblock, No.

Mr. Steele, Thank you.

Mr. Hollenbeck, That request is not difficult at all.

Mr. Steele, Thank you.

Mrs. Knoblock, Here's the budget, and then the back page, each elected official could put who's on it, not who's on it, but how much. It's not a big thing to ask, I don't think.

Mr. Hollenbeck, Well, but that, Carole, that's a very different request, than saying, take all 92 budgets, and when they turn them in for next year, include their health insurance expense in their budget, because that's an appropriation then.

Mrs. Knoblock, That's not what he's saying, he saying to put it on a piece of paper.

Mr. Hollenbeck, Well that's what Bob, as I understood it, that was Bob's original request.

Mrs. Knoblock, Not put it in their budget, he wants them to put a piece of paper in there to say what's there.

Mr. Hollenbeck, And I…

Mrs. Knoblock, Not in their budget.

Mr. Hollenbeck, I'm saying that is not only an easy request, that piece of paper already exists.

Mr. Steele, Anything else?

Mrs. Knoblock, Making a mountain out of a molehill.

Mr. Carmichael, Alright, Bob, I'm trying--very trying.

Mrs. Knoblock, Geez.
Mr. Carmichael, Okay, is there any further business to be discussed?

Ms. Noll, Yes, budget memo, and budget schedules.

BUDGET MEMO & SCHEDULE

Mr. Carmichael, Do you all, did you put it out, the budget schedule out? Both of them?

Ms. Noll, I put both of them out. I have a proposed five-day and a proposed eight-day schedule.

Mr. Carmichael, Alright, we'll take it, we'll consider that, and look at that the next meeting. June, what? This is for August.

Ms. Noll, June 22nd.

Mr. Carmichael, This is budget hearings set for August is what you're talking about?

Ms. Noll, Yes, but I've had a couple departments call because they go to conference, they go to meetings, and they usually set some time aside.