PORTER COUNTY COUNCIL
2003 Budget Hearings
August 19, 2002

The public hearing and first reading for the proposed 2003 Porter County Budgets was held on August 19, 2002, at 5:00 p.m., in the County Administration Center, 155 Indiana-Suite 205, Valparaiso, Indiana.

Members present were William Carmichael, Karen Conover, Karen Martin, John Ruge, Leon West, President Barbara Stroud, and Carole Knoblock, who was not present at roll call. Also, present was Attorney David Hollenbeck, Auditor Sandra Vuko, Jamie Dziabo, Melissa Hartig and Jan Balcerak.

Ms. Stroud called the meeting to order with the Pledge of Allegiance.

FIRST READING

Ms. Stroud, This evening we are going to be doing the public hearing on our budget and also we are going to go through the first reading. I will read the rules for the public hearing, then I will ask the Auditor to read to notice to the taxpayers for the budget and the amounts. Then we will go into our public hearing. If there is anyone who wishes to speak and has not signed in should do so, so that I can call you when we get to that portion.

At this time, Ms. Stroud read the rules of conduct for the public hearing.

Ms. Stroud, I am going to ask the Auditor to read the notice to the taxpayers for the budget and the amounts for each budget, such as the county general, welfare, highway, etc., giving us the overall total.

Mrs. Vuko read the following from the Notice to Taxpayers dated August 5, 2002:

County General Fund $29,000,000
Highway Cum-Bridge $345,000
Court House Bond $1,600,000
Lease Rent Payment $781,000
Reassessment Fund $200,000
CCD Fund $1,320,000
Mapping $50,000
NIRPC $103,000
Welfare Family & Children $2,083,300
MVH $3,500,000
LRS $995,000
Aviation $848,112
Aviation Cum-Building $285,000
Jail Bond $4,445,000
Health $950,000
Health Maintenance $100,000
Antabuse $75,000
PCADOS $267,000
Prosecutor Deferral $307,000
Home Detention $103,000
Juvenile Probation User Fees $51,000
Prosecutor IV-D $8,000
Tourism $780,000
Hazardous Substance Fund $91,000
Parks Operating $50,000
Expo $395,000
Adult Probation User Fees $225,000
Clerk Perpetuation $85,000
Health Tobacco Settlement $30,000
Pre-trial Diversion $46,000

Ms. Stroud, Okay, normally at this point in time we usually ask the Auditor how much we need to cut out of our budget. As you were explaining to me today you just received information from the State so you cannot give us a final figure on that until later in the week, before we start our second hearings. Is that correct?

Mrs. Vuko, That's correct. Our packet just came in today from the Department of Local Finance, so there's no way we can figure all that out.

Ms. Stroud, Okay. We will start our public hearing.

PUBLIC HEARING

Ms. Stroud, The first one I see on the agenda is Hope Cook.

Ms. Cook, Do you want me to come up there?

Ms. Stroud, Yes, please.

Ms. Cook, Okay. My name is Hope Cook and I live in Liberty Township. I am here to speak on behalf of the Purdue Extension Office of Porter County. First off, I want to thank all of you and the taxpayers for allowing the office to be in this building; for supporting its staff and allowing it go on with its many functions. I believe that the tax money is probably well spent on this office.
I'd like to offer some information and numbers that I think might help to help quantify the return that you get on the investment in this office. Basically they cover anything and everything and this can include agriculture to horticulture to county planning to nutritional to education, family resource management to leadership, volunteer training to educational seminars.
The 4-H program, which is a part of this office alone, has 1,000 young people involved, which includes approximately 800 or more families in this county. Add to that to another 200 volunteers through the 4-H Council, the project superintendents, the club leaders, who provide over 100 projects to these young people throughout the year.
Many of these programs teach volunteerism to the adults as well as the children and touch thousands of people all over the county through community service. That's one of the main thrusts of 4-H. These volunteers and members range in age from five to 85. They can include people from all walks of life; retired people, blue-collar workers, white-collar workers. There are many families where there are three generations that are involved in 4-H. It just keeps going. There are also families that have no children and they are still involved with this, knowing the need here.
The staff at the Extension Office I believe sets the tone and example for the many people that they work with because of the hours that they put in not only at work, but after hours. Much of what they have to do has to be done after 5:00 on into the evenings, many of the weekends. A lot of dedicated hours here. They provide the central location for the coordination of all the other volunteers that are providing thousands of hours all year round to 4-H, as well as the homemakers program, the agricultural programs and the training programs.
I think that the Extension Office is what I would call the lynchpin of one of the largest chains of volunteer groups in this county. There is no other organization that could hope to cover the number of programs that this large organization of dedicated volunteers has, if this change broke at all. The value is not just the individual programs that might be made available or provided on a fragmented basis through other organizations in the county. The value of return on your investment is the network of volunteers that are there that show the importance of giving back to the community and are training new people coming along--young people--about this. The fact that the county taxpayers and government officials assist with this endeavor makes it all the more possible for us to succeed.
Again, I want to thank you for your support in the past and ask you to consider keeping it in the budget. I know it's a tough time and I think it's programming. By the way, I have no children, but I've had the most fun in the last six years that I started with the program and first learned about it. Thank you.

Ms. Stroud, Second on the sign-up sheet is Mr. Richard Wheeler.

Mr. Wheeler, My name is Richard Wheeler. I live in Valparaiso. I have lived here all of my life and I thank you for the opportunity to speak this evening. First of all, I would like to say I admire all of you people for the job you're trying to do. I don't think any of us a few years ago thought we would ever see this kind of a budget crunch in Porter County, but unfortunately it's here.
I would just ask you, that as you make your considerations and in the event that there has to be even further budget cuts, you remember that our government was founded by the people, of the people and for the people. And the people are the important things, those people who need assistance. The dedicated employees that we have working in our offices for the County. If cuts have to be made, I know things like technology and facilities are very important, but please, please consider people first. Thank you.

Ms. Stroud, Thank you. Tim Cole.

Mr. Cole, Good afternoon. I was told just before I entered the room that I was expected to speak, so I'm not very well prepared, but I want to thank the Council for listening and for entertaining whatever I have to say with maybe that consideration that I am speaking a little bit off-the-cuff and somewhat hastily.
I think you have to realize that the Porter County Parks after 20 years of establishment is still in its infancy. It lags behind in development and in its services to the people of Porter County. It lags behind Lake County and LaPorte County, and LaPorte is driving ahead very quickly and Lake County has already in place some very, very enviable parks and systems and services for their people.
I think we need to consider parks as the recreational need for people who are out of work, who have little to work with in terms of entertainment. I think that if you look back at the Great Depression it was the arts, it was the parks, it was the availability of open land that kept people from, maybe the depression. I mean the physical, the mental depressions that accompanied those very hard times.
I think if we look at the influx of people from the adjoining states to our parks systems during the summer, we've all complained, all those people from the other states come to our parks and entertain themselves at our cost. Remember, it was their lack of foresight in establishing open land and parks and services that drive them here to Porter County.
Another thing that we need to consider is that the quality of life in Porter County is obviously appealing to many of these people and that quality of life resides in our open spaces and hopefully our developing park system. Please remember Porter County Parks in your considerations of the budget in whatever way possible. That's really all I can say at this time.

Mr. Carmichael, Tim, are you up to a question?

Mr. Cole, Yes, I'm up to a question.

Mr. Carmichael, Have you given it any thought as to how to fund the park system outside of what we are already doing? What are the options?

Mr. Cole, Well of course. You know, I'm pretty stupid when it comes to the Porter County budget I'm not sure. I understand that there is not a line item on the budget for funding for the parks. This money comes as a gift from the Council, not as a budgetary item. Is that how I understand this?

Mr. Carmichael, It is a regular budget item.

Ms. Martin, It's a regular budget.

Mr. Carmichael, They have a regular budget.

Mr. Cole, Okay.

Ms. Martin, But then they also get money from the Tourism, that's probably what you are thinking of.

Mr. Cole, Okay. Then from what I'm hearing from other people then, evidently is either, I'm either wording it wrong or understanding it wrong, possibly. Anyway, cuts of course are possible in that area and I wanted to defend the parks as much as possible. I want to defend the future of the children of Porter County, the people of Porter County and very fact that once privately owned property is not available to the public and as we grow, land just isn't going to be available. People will be living more and more in multi-family housing and open spaces necessary just for the health of the mind, if nothing else. Any further questions?

Mr. Hollenbeck, If I might add. Tim is with the Porter County Park Foundation and they've worked very diligently to raise private money to help bridge the gap that he's talked about. Most currently what's intriguing is the County through the commissioners' office is seriously looking at the possibility of impact fees. One of the things that seems the most interesting with impact fees is park funding. There needs to be a study done to do that and all the units of local government in Porter County have come together to fund that study. The County's portion of that would be about $7,500, and half of that cost the Porter County Park Foundation has come up with. So there's a case where Tim's organization has stepped up and has helped fund--because the County just doesn't have that money--a study that hopefully will let us know whether it makes sense or not to implement an impact fee system, which--Bill--is certainly another source of funding outside of the frozen levy for park activities. So that is one example of what Tim's organization has done to work on behalf on the county parks.

Mr. Cole, Thank you, Dave. I guess I don't look at that impact in that same light. I should, but I was looking at it I guess for future development. It is true, our money, the funding that we are, not the funding, but the monies that we have collected from private sources is very dear to us and it doesn't go very far with what we have proposed. But yet we are willing to invest in this feasibility study because we know what it means not only for the parks, but for Porter County. Thank you very much. Anything else?

Ms. Stroud, Okay, according to how we talked about handling this was going through the first reading. When we go through the second reading we were to bring each of you up here and go through your budget with you. For the most part, there were not to be too many changes in the budget.
Let me just say this. I've been with this book for over a week and going through different ones, and personally, for those of you that have put in here for raises for individuals--and I'm going to say it publicly--my feeling is that you need to go back and check your budget, because there's not going to be money for raises, unless it is something that is mandated by the State or the court system or something like that. But there are some in here that I think some of you need to go back and look at your budget because I am being very honest with you, we did not anticipate giving any raises at any time. That is one thing.
The other thing I was going to bring up, since Tim brought it up with the impact fees, as far as raising money, are there other areas where we can look as far as raising money, as far as any kind of fees that can be charged, etc., I think that's something that we need to look at internally and I'm sure it's being studied by some of the other committees. I think that is something that we seriously need to look at as far as raising some more money for the county. Do any of you have anything to say at this point in time?

Mr. Carmichael, Was there anybody else in the audience that signed up?

Ms. Stroud, No one else signed up. That's all I had on the list here. Is there someone else who would like to speak? Yes, sir.

Mr. Carmichael, Someone wants to speak.

Gentleman from the audience, Yes, I'm just an average citizen.

Ms. Stroud, Come right up here. We're all just average citizens.

Mr. Hollenbeck, Yes, some of us are below average.

Ms. Stroud, There are no PC citizens or anything, you know, privilege character citizens. We are all average citizens.

Mr. Hollenbeck, Wait a minute, there's no way we can all be average.

Ms. Stroud, Well, I know.

Mr. Hollenbeck, Some of us are above average and some of us are below average.

Ms. Stroud, Well, I lumped us all together.

Mr. Hollenbeck, Okay.

Ms. Stroud, Could we have your name please?

Gentleman from the audience, Tom Benus.

Ms. Stroud, Okay, Tom.

Mr. Benus, The reason I'm trying to come to the meetings are because of what I read in the paper--the Post Tribune--about the insurance costs and just the fact that the budget for the County. The lady was talking about 4-H and I am a pro on this. I was in the 4-H program. As a matter of fact I was a leader, I was involved as a leader and it's a good program. As a kid I wasn't into sports, you know, this just wasn't my thing and my parents signed me up for 4-H. I went through the program, I went through the junior leaders, so it's a good program. My brother and my sister went through it too. The other thing I have a question for is, I keep hearing that obviously the budget is going up. I mean, what is going to be the kind of position with Bethlehem Steel and the taxes and the county income tax? I don't know, those are the thoughts I had.

Ms. Stroud, You're asking the question as far as…

Mr. Benus, Yes.

Ms. Stroud, Well we all would like to know that. We don't have a crystal ball to tell what is going to happen. I'm not being, you know.

Mr. Benus, Right.

Ms. Stroud, We really don't know at this point. We're all hoping that they will come back online and pay their taxes like this next year, but we don't know at this point in time. We have committees that have been working on, a process committee and sub-committees, that are working on different recommendations that they are going to bring to us in a couple of months as far as what we need to look at or what we can look at. So that is where we are at this point in time. Okay?

Mr. Benus, Alright, thank you.

Ms. Stroud, Does anybody else have anything to add to that? Mrs. Conover.

Mrs. Conover, I just wanted to say that I know you and I, Barb, met with the financial committee on Friday; a couple of members.

Ms. Stroud, Yes, the efficiency committee.

Mrs. Conover, And they've been studying county finances, which is an arduous task.

Ms. Stroud, Karen, they cannot hear you in the back, back there.

Mrs. Conover, That's a hard task. With that said, their recommendation--they wanted to meet before the budget process--is to fully fund the health plan and then the excess money that is needed for utilities with the new jail going online. We're going to be hard pressed to honor requests that are over last year's figures, reduced figures, I should say, if we're to fully fund the health care and beef up our utility fund.

Ms. Stroud, Correct. With the 5% frozen levy, the amount that comes back from the State or what we would get from the State would be almost totally used up by those two particular increases. So that's why we have to look at all these budgets and see which way we are going to go. I appreciate the work that they did and I have to agree with the recommendation, if it's possible for us to do that. I'm glad they met with us ahead of time, but we're going to have to look at it. We're going to have to look at all of the line items and see where we are until we can get the final figures from the Auditor's office. Does anybody else have anything they would like add or say since we are in the public hearing part? Okay, no one? Next week we will be meeting on Tuesday. I think it was advertised at 5:15 instead of 5:00. If there is no other business to come before us. Yes?

Mr. Hollenbeck, I believe it's your intention to do your first reading tonight.

Ms. Stroud, Our intention was that she would go through the figures and that would be it. Do you want us to go through each of the budget figures?

Mr. Hollenbeck, No, you can do it in one motion.

Ms. Martin, You have to do a bottom line.

Ms. Stroud, I'm sorry.

Mr. Hollenbeck, It's my understanding that your methodology is that you are going to adopt the budgets as submitted on first reading tonight.

Ms. Stroud, Correct.

Mr. Hollenbeck, Then on second reading is when you are going to put your pencil to the figures.

Ms. Stroud, Right.

Mr. Hollenbeck, Because we have to do this at two separate readings.

Ms. Stroud, Right. So I need a motion to adopt the budgets as they were submitted.

Mr. West moved to approve first reading for all Porter County budgets as submitted. Mrs. Conover seconded, motion carried.

CASH FLOW REPORT

Mr. Hollenbeck, I have one other matter before the close this evening, Madam Chairperson, and that's a cash flow report.

Ms. Stroud, Okay.

Mr. Hollenbeck, I know I beat you over the head with this, but that's how we pay our bills. The Auditor's office tells me that as of the close of business today, we have $2,299,000 in the bank. As you'll remember, we spend about $2,000,000 a month. That's pretty much online with what our cash flow statements have projected as to when we are going to run out of money again.
As you know, the cash flow statement provides that we have to dip back into the cumulative bridge fund to the tune of 1.25 million, probably in October. I've completed the paperwork on your approval of the first two installments of the Porter County bailout legislation. We'll clear about a million-two, I think, after we pay back the Department of Commerce from that, which means we'll probably be able to bridge to October as we thought, but it's going to be very tight on cash and I may have to be asking you to dip again into the tax anticipation warrants. As you'll remember, you authorized the issuance of $10,000,000. $5,000,000 of that we used to pay back the warrants that we got from the bond bank and we have borrowed $760,000 so far?

Mrs. Vuko, No, $750,000.

Mr. Hollenbeck, Of the second $5,000,000, we've tapped $750,000. We may have to tap some more of that to bridge our way to pay our bills in late October and into November.

Ms. Stroud, Okay. I'm just going to ask this question. We have received money from the State. Someone asked me this question the other day.

Mr. Hollenbeck, The bailout money?

Ms. Stroud, The bailout money.

Mr. Hollenbeck, We have not received any of the bailout money.

Ms. Stroud, We have not received a dime from them yet.

Mr. Hollenbeck, I just completed again another set of application figures they wanted.

Ms. Stroud, Okay. That was asked to me yesterday.

Mr. Hollenbeck, I talked to Bob Lain again today about that and I hope to have it in the mail tomorrow.

Ms. Stroud, So we have not received anything from the State yet?

Mr. Hollenbeck, Right.

Ms. Stroud, Okay. Is there anything else to come before us? Okay, I need a motion to adjourn. John?

Mr. Ruge, Do we have to cut the budgets at the next meeting?

Ms. Stroud, At the next meeting, starting next week when we do the second readings.

Mr. Ruge, I think we'll have to cut them, won't we?

Ms. Stroud, Well, that's what we are going to be looking at, yes. Does anybody else have anything? Is there a motion for adjournment?

Mr. West moved to recess, Mrs. Knoblock seconded, motion carried.

SECOND READING
Tuesday, August 27, 2002

Second Readings began Tuesday, August 27, 2002, following a special council meeting. Those members present were William Carmichael, Karen Conover, Carole Knoblock, Karen Martin, John Ruge, Leon West and President Barbara Stroud. Also present was Auditor Sandra Vuko, Attorney David Hollenbeck, Jamie Dziabo, Sheila Riley and Jan Balcerak.

DATA PROCESSING 01.50

Ms. Stroud, The first one to come before us is Data Processing. Good evening. To start out, your bottom line is the same; I need to go through and read your budget with you. First of all, on the first page, the 144, if you go down and count the your employees, you have ten employees and not nine. I caught it when I was doing the adding. Okay? The Salaries stay the same, $366,230. Line 2110 Office Supplies went from $23,000 to $15,000. Other Supplies 2250 went from $1,000 to $500. For a total of $15,500. For other Services & Charges, line 3130, $500 to $2,500. Travel from $1,000 to $1,500. Maintenance Agreements went from $64,100 to $69,890. Equipment other than Vehicles stayed the same at $10,000, which is line item 3630. 3730 Lease Purchase went from $99,790 to $100,000. Dues & Subscriptions 3930 stayed the same at $150. The total is $184,040 for Other Services & Charges. The bottom line is $565,770. Questions?

Mr. Carmichael moved to approve the 2003 budget for Data Processing, the amount of $565,770. Mr. West seconded, motion carried.

Ms. Stroud, Thank you.

Sharon Lippens, Just to let you know with the hiring freeze being lifted we found a new candidate and they will start Tuesday, the 3rd.

Ms. Stroud, The person you came in and asked for?

Mrs. Lippens, Yes.

Ms. Stroud, Good, now we can get all the computers and the software done so that they are all up and running.

HIGHWAY 02

Administration

Ms. Stroud, Highway. The Salaries are the same, eight employees, $305,881. Hourly stays the same at $12,025. Longevity should be out. We don't have any longevity. We took the longevity out.

Jack Jarnecke, Well I would like to say we have cut back in the people in the Highway Department. We have cut out about $160,000 to $170,000 and I feel that the long time employees should be able to have something to given to them. This is not county general fund. It is gas tax money.

Ms. Stroud, I think we all feel that all of our employees should have the longevity; unfortunately some come under general fund money. I understand where you are coming from with this and it is not general fund money, but I think that when other departments have taken it out also, then it's not fair for the total picture, as far as our employees. I have to say that we asked that it be taken out of all the budgets whether it was general fund or not. So what are the wishes of the Council here?

Mrs. Conover, Well it hurts a lot to have had to cut the longevity pay for the years of service that was rewarded through the longevity bonuses. We're hard pressed to meet this budget and we are losing two major mills out of our general fund. I realize this is highway state tax money through the gas tax; however, we are trying to be fair to all concerned. Our big push is going to be to properly fund the health plan so our employees don't have to worry about that benefit and possibly have an addition to the health plan that they pay for and that stays intact. That's our big focus here over the next couple of nights. I wish we could instill the longevity to all of the employees, but unfortunately under our current situation we can't.

Mr. Jarnecke, Okay.

Ms. Stroud, What is the feeling of the rest of you? Okay, we are going to have to take that out. So if we take that out, the Total Personal Services would be $317,906. In going through the rest of your budget, everything else remains the same. I didn't find any other discrepancy, so you're bottom line would come out to $340,106.

Ms. Martin, You have $35,700, did you need to put that somewhere else?

Mr. Jarnecke, I'll take it and put it in the Stone and Bituminous accounts.

Ms. Martin, Break it down evenly between the three districts?

Mr. Jarnecke, Yes.

Ms. Stroud, Okay.

Mr. Jarnecke, That will just go into the general accounts. It won't be broken down in the MVH.

Ms. Stroud, So you can shift it around and use it other places?

Mr. Jarnecke, Yes.

Ms. Stroud, Okay, we need a motion to approve.

Mrs. Knoblock moved to approve the 2003 budget for Highway 02 - Administration, the amount of $375,806. Mr. West seconded, motion carried.

General & Undistributed Expenses

Ms. Stroud, The next one Jack has is the General & Undistributed Expenses. Your mechanics' foreman, mechanics and your shop foreman wouldn't be too happy if we didn't have a budget for them. The salary for the Mechanics' Foreman, line 1111 is $31,304. Mechanics, $59,696, that stays the same. Shop Foreman-Mechanic, $31,096. For a total of $122,096. Under Employee Benefits, 1210 FICA went from 135,142 to $129,320. Medical/Life Insurance went from $332,289 to $333,352. PERF went from $92,745 down to $79,180. So you actually have a decrease in those lines. Let me do the next one and I will give you the grand total. The Medical Services stayed the same, which is line 1320. For a total in that particular area of $667,148. Under Section 2, Operating Supplies, Gas & Fuel stayed the same at $130,000. Uniforms & Clothing went from $2,000 to $12,000. Food & Groceries, $142,000. Wait a minute, I'm sorry, you put it in the wrong line.

Ms. Balcerak, It should be under Repair & Maintenance line.

Ms. Martin, You're not buying us food, are you?

Mr. Jarnecke, No.

Ms. Stroud, In 2220, they should have $12,000 and in line 2262 for Paint, $1,200. Repair & Maintenance, $10,000. 2310, $20,000. 2320, $75,000. 2341 Tool Allowance is $2,000. For a total of $18,200. The total for Supplies is $250,200. On the next page, Communications & Transportation. Communications stayed the same at $18,000. Line 2420 went from $238,000 to $318,339. Unemployment stayed the same, line 3440, at $6,000, for a total on that section of $324,339. Utility Services. Power 3510, a new section in here at $37,000; 3520 Water & Sewage is $600, so that section is $37,600. Repair & Maintenance stayed the same. 3620, $12,000. 3630, $2,000. 3650 Vehicle Repair, $70,000, for a total of $84,000. Lease Purchase increased from $240,000 to $251,367 and that's the total for that section. For the next one in the 3000 Series, 3950 Contractual went from $3,000 to $6,000. Total Other Services & Charges, $721,306. In the 4000 Series, 4410 Office Equipment, $1,600; 4510, $2,000. The total for Capital Outlays is $3,600. The total budget $1,642,254. Right? Correct? I see her shaking her head over here. Okay, I need a motion to approve this.

Ms. Martin moved to approve the Highway-General & Undistributed Expenses, the amount of $1,642,254. Mrs. Conover seconded, motion carried.

Maintenance & Repair

Ms. Stroud, Under Personal Services, for the Foremen, you have $155,480; line 1111 Drivers, $844,480; Equipment Operators, $238,992; Sweeper Operator, $11,500. You have $10,000 for Overtime, for a total of $1,260,452. Hardware & Tools 2260 stays the same also, $15,000. Repair & Maintenance, 2360 Aggregates went to $62,181,50; line 2362 Bituminous went to $62,181.50.

Ms. Martin, Excuse me, is that where you want that extra money to go?

Mr. Jarnecke, Yes.

Ms. Stroud, Okay, what do you want to put in here?

Ms. Martin, He has that $35,700.

Mr. Jarnecke, Split that $35,700.

Ms. Martin, Split it into?

Mr. Jarnecke, Yes.

Ms. Martin, Between Bituminous and Aggregates?

Mr. Jarnecke, Yes.

Ms. Martin, It would be $17,850 in both of those accounts, added to it, which equals $80,031.50.

Mrs. Conover, For the auditor's purposes, do you just want to round it to $31?

Ms. Martin, Yes.

Ms. Stroud, So $80,032.

Mrs. Knoblock, Can we go back to line 1111, Drivers and Sign Assistants? Why did that go from 873 to 844?

Ms. Stroud, It dropped down $29,120.

Mrs. Knoblock, Yes.

Ms. Stroud, He has to answer that, I don't know. Either less employees or whatever.

Mr. Jarnecke, What's that?

Ms. Stroud, For the…

Ms. Martin, Drivers and Sign Assistants. She wanted to know why it was reduced.

Mr. Jarnecke, I have less drivers, then the assistant secretary is gone, that was $8,240. The shop helper was $23,088. The part-time mowers that we hire in the summer was $26,240. The sign shop assistant was $29,120.

Ms. Stroud, Does anyone else have any other questions? I'm trying to get a total here. On that section then, they have $600 for Lumber, so for that section, it would be $160,664 in that particular section. Then 2470 stayed the same at $15,000. In the 3000 Series, 3710 stayed at $7,000. Other Services & Charges, 3976 Drainage Assessments stayed at $1,400. If I did my math correctly, I got $1,583,879. Is that correct? No? I'm off?

Ms. Martin, I have $1,459,515.

Ms. Riley, I have 516.

Ms. Stroud, I know what I did. Okay, sorry. Are we all set on that one now?

Ms. Martin moved to approve the 2003 budget for Highway-Maintenance & Repair, the amount of $1,459,516. Mr. Carmichael seconded, motion carried.



HIGHWAY CUM-BRIDGE 25

Ms. Stroud, Okay, we have the Highway Cumulative Bridge budget, 25. Under Supplies, 2210 Gas & Fuel, $30,000. Under Repair & Maintenance 2310, you have $20,000 there. For 2361 Culverts, $50,000. So Total Supplies is $100,000. Under Other Services & Charges, line 3650 for Vehicle Repair, you have $25,000. For 3660 Safety, you have $50,000. For a total of $75,000. Under the 4000 Series, 4420, you have $125,000. For 4430 Other Mobile Equipment, you have $40,000. For Total Capital Outlays of $165,000. The total for your budget is $340,000. Is that correct?
Mr. Jarnecke, Yes.

Ms. Martin moved to approve the 2003 budget for Highway Cum-Bridge, the amount of $340,000.

Ms. Stroud, I need a second.

Mr. Carmichael seconded.

Mr. Carmichael, I have a question.

Ms. Stroud, Yes. I'm sorry.

Mr. Carmichael, David, does that cover our repayment to the cum-bridge?

Mr. Hollenbeck, It is my understanding, Bill, that the commissioners have reviewed the cash flow statements and shared with Jack what it looks we're going to have to do, which is in October or November, revisit borrowing from the bridge fund to the tune of about 1.25 million dollars. Depending on what happens between now and the end of the year and depending on what you decide to do with the third installment of the bailout loan, if you choose to take it or not take it. If you take it, we clearly can pay the bridge fund back on December 31st. If you decide not to borrow that, but borrow it from yourself, effectively through the bridge fund, then it's going to be tight according to Jack and the commissioners. Although they've indicated that they can live with a shortfall of 1.25 probably until the middle of next year, but at that point, we've borrowed too long and too much from the bridge fund and we need to start seriously thinking about keeping that money there.

Ms. Stroud, Thanks, Bill. We need a roll call.

Motion carried.

HIGHWAY LRS 26

Ms. Stroud, Highway Local Roads & Streets, Fund 26. Under Supplies, line 2261 Salt, $40,000. Under Repair & Maintenance Supplies, line 2360 Aggregates, $302,814. Bituminous, line 2362, $430,000. Under Other Supplies, 2240 Road Signs, $22,000. Total Supplies, $794,814. Under the 3000 Series, under Repair & Maintenance, you took out 3760, so there's a zero in there. Other Services & Charges, line 3951 Railroad Crossings, $75,000. Under Capital Outlays, 4210 for Buildings, $124,263. Total Capital Outlays, $199,263. Total budget, $994,077.

Ms. Martin, I have one question on the Pavement Management, was that system we working or we've deleted that or what are we doing there?

Mr. Jarnecke, It's still there. The money just gets used for pavement work, that's about as far as I've gotten with it at that time.

Ms. Stroud, Okay, are there any other questions?

Mrs. Conover, I guess I just wanted to add; Jack, you and your department have done a lot more with a lot less and that means manpower and money. It's with great frustration and pain that we had to eliminate the longevity pay. We really, truly appreciate the service by you and your department.

Mr. Jarnecke, Thank you.

Ms. Stroud, Is there a motion to approve?

Mrs. Conover moved to approve the 2003 budget for Highway LRS, the amount of $994,077. Mr. West seconded, motion carried.
Ms. Stroud, Thank you, Jack.

ANIMAL SHELTER 01.45

Ms. Stroud, Sandy has a change in her 144, so we are going to have to do that first before we go on with the rest of her budget. I can explain it or you can explain it, whichever.

Sandy Ogle, Go ahead.

Ms. Stroud, It had to do with, she had a probationary person that was a probationary worker and the probationary period is over as she has indicated on here in October--October 29th. So that means that person will be moved up so there's an increase in her salary line, so that's why there's a discrepancy. With that being said, the Director stays the same at $32,825. She has a Senior Animal Control Officer at $28,620. She now will have three Animal Control Officers, for a total of $76,347. No probationary. Animal Caretaker at $23,476. And Director's Assistant/Secretary at $19,024. For a total of $180,292. Everything else stayed the same.

Ms. Martin, No, her meetings went from zero.

Ms. Stroud, I'm sorry, the meetings went to $25.

Ms. Martin, Last year, the individuals on their board had donated their time and Sandy and I reviewed, went over the budget and what had happened is, we felt that the board was deserving of having some funds. Also what she had done was, if you look under Sterilization, she reduced her Sterilization amount in order to cover the increase for her salaries and the changes there. So she still has the same bottom line.

Ms. Stroud, Yes, I knew the bottom line was the same.

Ms. Martin, Which I commend her for working with those increases.

Ms. Stroud, Yes. So for the Board, $25 per meeting. We need a motion to approve the 144.

Ms. Martin moved to approve the 2003 144 Form for the Animal Shelter, the amounts of $180,292, $8 and $25. Mrs. Knoblock seconded, motion carried.

Ms. Stroud, Okay, we'll go through her budget. We just approved $180,292 for Salaries. The Hourly is $15,760. For a total of $196,052. For Other Personal Services, would be line 1340, the Boards went from zero to $1,650. So Total Personal Services is $197,702. Under Supplies, she stayed the same. Line 2110, $1,000. 2220, $500. Food, 2230, $1,000. 2250, $1,000. For that section, for Supplies, it's $2,500. 2330 Household & Bedding, $1,500. Medical Supplies 2410, $3,466. So for Total Supplies, $8,466. Other Services & Charges, pretty much the same. 3140, $350. 3160 Vet Services, $1,000. Communication & Transportation, Postage, she has $500. Down to Repair & Maintenance, 3610, she has $250. 3630, $350. Down in Rentals, 3750 Other Rentals, $297. On Other Services & Charges, she has 3950 in Contractual for $4,800. For Sterilization 3970, $12,850. 3951 for the Contractual Attorney, $3,720, for a total of $21,370, and then…

Ms. Martin, I just had one…

Ms. Stroud, I'm sorry.

Ms. Martin, Just one point is the fact that Sandy said that she could only reduce this Sterilization for this year and she needs to make sure that next year during the budget process its raised back to the $18,000.

Ms. Stroud, Okay.

Ms. Martin, Only because she's using fund raising money this year and she doesn't know if she'll have it available next year.

Ms. Stroud, Okay. So for a total of Other Services and Charges, $24,117. Her total for her budget is $230,285. I want to thank you very much Sandy for all the work you do out there. I know you've tried to be creative and raise extra money and so on. Hopefully next year, you know, we'll hopefully…

Ms. Martin moved to approve the 2003 budget for the Animal Shelter, the amount of $230,285. Mr. Carmichael seconded, motion carried.

Ms. Stroud, Thank you, Sandy.

Ms. Ogle, Thank you.

PLAN COMMISSION 01.24

Ms. Stroud, Plan Commission. Hi, good evening. With the Plan Commission, let's see.

Ms. Martin, There's a drop in Salaries because…

Ms. Stroud, There's a drop in Salaries.

Ms. Martin, Of the fact that they go back to the low end for that position of Executive Director. It dropped about, approximately, what, $4,000.

Ms. Stroud, I can tell you it was $45,000 and the salary is $40,787 for a difference of $4,213. So we have to do a new 144 on this.

Ms. Martin, Yes.

Ms. Stroud, Okay, we must do the 144. Executive Director, $40,787; Assistant Planner, $30,537; Administrative Assistant, $28,730; First Deputy, $26,295; and the Second Deputy, $23,411; for a total of $149,760. Then the rate per meeting is $50 and that stays the same for the Boards.

Ms. Martin moved to approve the 2003 144 Form for the Plan Commission, the amounts of $149,760 and $50. Mr. West seconded, motion carried.

Ms. Stroud, Salaries then, line 1110, would be $149,760. For the Boards, line 1340 is $6,000, for a total of $155,760. Under Supplies, line 2110, $3,000, and increase of $500 there. Line 2250, $200. Line 2430, $700. For Total Supplies of $3,900. Section 3, Other Services & Charges. Line 3110 Legal, from $8,700 to $9,913. Training 3130, stayed the same, $1,000. Travel 3210, $200. Printing & Advertising, 3320, Legal Notices went to $1,100. Photo & Blueprint, line 3330, $500. Repair & Maintenance 3610, went to $2,800. Under Other Services & Charges, line 3930, Dues & Subscriptions stayed the same at $750. Line 3951, Contractual Attorney, $7,750. For a total of Other Services & Charges of $24,013. The budget line stayed the same at $183,673.

Ms. Martin moved to approve the 2003 budget for the Plan Commission, the amount of $183,673. Mr. Carmichael seconded, motion carried.

Ms. Stroud, Thank you very much.

Steve Nigro, Thank you very much.

WEIGHTS & MEASURES 01.28

Ms. Stroud, Weights & Measures. Good evening.

Richard Claussen, Good evening.

Ms. Stroud, Since Mr. Claussen stayed the same in all the line items, am I correct?

Mr. Claussen, Yes.

Ms. Stroud, Do I need to go through or just do the total for you ladies down here?

Mr. Carmichael, Just read the total.

Ms. Stroud, I'm just going to read the total. The Total Budget Estimate is $66,925. I need a motion.

Mrs. Knoblock moved to approve the 2003 budget for Weights & Measures, the amount of $66,925. Mrs. Conover seconded, motion carried.
Ms. Stroud, Thank you.

Mr. Claussen, Thank you.

VETERANS SERVICE 01.27

Ms. Stroud, Veterans Service. Anybody here from the Veterans Service? Yes, there he is. With these glasses I can't see distance so don't get too far away from me. Hi.

Jim Feeney, Hi.

Ms. Stroud, Since your budget did not change, your budget is the same at $16,729, I need a motion to approve.

Mr. West moved to approve the 2003 budget for Veterans Services, the amount of $16,729. Mrs. Conover seconded, motion carried.

Ms. Stroud, Thank you.

EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY 01.47

Ms. Stroud, Porter County EMA. Good evening.

Phil Griffith, Good evening.

Ms. Stroud, Okay, since your budget is the same, $55,991, I did not find any changes going through it.

Mr. Griffith, Well, we did make a couple on there.

Ms. Stroud, Where?

Mr. Griffith, We didn't change the bottom line, but we moved some money around.

Ms. Stroud, Wait a minute. Give me the line item, because I guess my eyes didn't catch it.

Mr. Griffith, 2250 Other Supplies went from $3,000 to $2,000.

Ms. Stroud, No, you're showing three.

Ms. Martin, Three and three.

Ms. Stroud, Three and three.

Mr. Griffith, Then it's something on mine that I got from the Auditor's.

Ms. Stroud, Well we have three and three and this is when it was turned in, stamped at the Auditor's office, June 17th.

Mr. Griffith, June 25th.

Mrs. Vuko, I don't have a new one.

Ms. Martin, Okay. What he did was…

Ms. Stroud, He lowered 2250 from $3,000 to $2,000.

Ms. Martin, Right, and then increased 3130 to $850.

Ms. Stroud, 3130 to $850.

Ms. Martin, Then increased 3930 to $800.

Ms. Stroud, What was it, 3930 to what?
Ms. Martin, 3930 to $800, from $150 to $800.

Ms. Stroud, Okay.

Mr. Griffith, The reason for that, I have to pay for my computer hookup since I don't have a county hookup and that had to come out of Dues & Subscriptions. So we transferred this year, but I adjusted my budget to carry that without transferring it.

Ms. Stroud, Okay, as long as you turned it in. This is the one that we were given, so that's why I said there weren't any changes.

Mr. Griffith, No, like I said, I had mine stamped.

Ms. Stroud, Okay, that's good. Alright, let's go back. Well, the final number is the same, so.

Mr. Griffith, The final number is the same.

Ms. Stroud, Under Personal Services then, that stayed the same. We need to change 2250 to $2,000. Ladies, do I need to go through and read it for you?

Ms. Martin, Just read the changes.

Mr. Griffith, Do you have the changes?

Ms. Stroud, Do you have the changes?

Mr. Griffith, I'll bring mine over to you.

Ms. Martin, Just read the ones that changed.

Ms. Stroud, Okay, I'm going to read the ones that were changed. 2250 went down to $2,000. Line 3130 went up to $850. Line 3930 Dues & Subscriptions went up to $800. The bottom line is $55,991. Correct?

Mr. Griffith, Yes.

Mrs. Knoblock moved to approve the 2003 budget for the Emergency Management Agency, the amount of $55,991. Mr. West seconded, motion carried.

Ms. Stroud, Thank you.

Mr. Griffith, Thank you.

SURVEYOR 01.06

Ms. Stroud, I think it stayed the same. I didn't find any differences. If I am correct and my eyes were working correctly, I did not see any changes in your budget. Is that correct?

Mr. Breitzke, Yes.

Ms. Stroud, So the bottom total budget submitted by the Surveyor is $191,330.

Mrs. Knoblock moved to approve the 2003 budget for the Surveyor, the amount of $191,330. Mr. West seconded, motion carried.

DRAINAGE BOARD 01.26

Ms. Stroud, Okay, for the Drainage Board I think it was the same thing.

Mr. Breitzke, Likewise, no changes.

Ms. Stroud, There are no changes in this one so I need a motion to approve. The total is $14,921. Correct?

Mr. Breitzke, Yes, Ma'am.

Mr. West moved to approve the 2003 budget for the Drainage Board, the amount of $14,921. Mrs. Knoblock seconded, motion carried.

Mr. Breitzke, Thank you.

Ms. Stroud, Thank you very much, Kevin.

MEMORIAL OPERA HOUSE 01.44

Ms. Stroud, Memorial Opera House. Hi, good evening. First of all, the budget that you submitted, some of this comes from the commissioners' budget and some of it comes from our budget. Or I should say that it all comes from the general fund, but that's the way it's broken down. I don't know if some of you have any questions. I have a couple of questions. First of all, I know your facility director left and a person was moved up, correct? Is that correct?

Holly Seibel, That's me.

Ms. Stroud, Now there should be a vacancy in one of your positions. Is that correct? Or did you fill a vacancy?

Ms. Seibel, No, we only have three people on staff currently full-time.

Ms. Stroud, Which ones do you have on staff right now?

Ms. Seibel, The interim facility director. The cultural projects coordinator and the building/technical coordinator.

Ms. Stroud, Okay, so you do not have the other two positions at this time?

Ms. Seibel, Correct, and the facility director is designated interim facility director.

Ms. Stroud, Correct. Now, what I have in front of me, as far as the submission here, the facility director was making $37,279, but that is not the amount that the interim is making also, is it?

Ms. Seibel, No, I am still making the salary of the operations manager.

Ms. Stroud, So you are making $24,500, is 41 or 91?

Ms. Seibel, Correct, 41.

Ms. Martin, I guess my questions would be, are those positions going to be open or do you plan on filling them or what's going on there?

Ms. Seibel, We were having to wait and see what was going on with the hiring freeze to see if those positions would be fillable in the future or not.

Ms. Martin, And the second thing was that last year during the budget process, there was an agreement that the budget would deplete over a four-year period. That would mean the budget availability for monies for this year is $23,400 from the general fund. Because after four years there will be no funds from the general fund.

Ms. Seibel, Four years from now or four years from?

Ms. Martin, No, last year was…

Ms. Seibel, Was the first year?

Ms. Martin, The first year. This is the first one that is reduced, so it's 25% of your budget's reduced, then next year it's 50, and the next year after that is 75, and then you have none out of the general fund. So the amount that you have available right now would be $23,400. The question is though, with these positions open, you are going to have some positives this year because you have extra salaries available if those positions are open. But next year you'll probably have to pick up the difference between the two.
Ms. Seibel, What we are planning, new events, making schedule changes and coming up with new fund raising ideas, seeing everything we can do to not have to rely on anything from the general fund.

Ms. Stroud, Well with those two positions not filled, you have what, $48,000 or $49,000 difference in salaries right there. I mean like Karen said, I know, because I sat in on those meetings that there was an agreement made that they would be reduced and one-fourth of it would be taken down.

Brian Hurley, Could you tell me who that agreement was with. Was that with Jackie?

Ms. Martin, It was during the budget process.

Ms. Stroud, Yes, the budget process last year.

Mr. Hurley, Well I was involved at least to the extent that I was here and I don't remember that. I do remember…

Ms. Martin, Karen Conover brought it up.

Mr. Hurley, There being a reduction and then that reduction was made up through the visitors bureau.

Ms. Martin, That was last year.

Mr. Hurley, That's what I'm talking about.

Ms. Martin, This year it was agreed that there was a five-year period. Last year's difference was made up by the convention bureau, but for the next four years it was going to be reduced by 25% of the budget.

Mr. Hurley, Well again, I guess my question is, maybe I'm off with the years, but are you talking about it starting this year? Is this the first year that there has been a reduction or was there a reduction last year?

Ms. Martin, You had the makeup from the convention center last year. This year would be $27,820 reduction.

Mr. Hurley, So then, even though there was a reduction last year we were able to make that up. Is that what you are saying?

Ms. Martin, It was supposed to be over a five-year period.

Mr. Hurley, And last year?

Ms. Martin, Last year you made over, you made through the convention center.

Mr. Hurley, But there still was a reduction is what you are saying?

Mrs. Conover, From the general fund.

Mr. Hurley, From the general fund, even though we did get it from somewhere else. Now you are saying this year there's a light reduction of 20%?

Ms. Martin, Of 25%.

Mr. Hurley, Well, if you go five years, then wouldn't that be 20% a year?

Ms. Martin, What was the amount in the general fund last year? I don't have last year's.

Ms. Stroud, It was $31,220.

Ms. Riley, In 2001 her salary, the amount in the salary line item was $38,870. This year it was reduced to $31,220 for the year 2002.

Ms. Stroud, But it's not really her salary, that's what we pay.

Mr. Hurley, You are talking about the amount of money that comes from the general fund.

Ms. Stroud, Yes.

Ms. Martin, Correct.

Mr. Hurley, That's not from, it's not ferreted through the commissioners, right?

Ms. Martin, Well that's not the PERF or any of the medical or any of the other stuff, no.

Ms. Stroud, No.

Ms. Martin, This is salaries only.

Mr. Hurley, Right, okay, and that's what you cover or that's what this budget covers?

Ms. Martin, That's what this general fund budget covers.

Mr. Hurley, Alright. Well, then I guess for next year can you give us, can we clarify what this agreement is then. Is it a reduction of 20% a year for five years?

Ms. Stroud, No, it was 25 for four years.

Mr. Hurley, Starting?

Ms. Stroud, Starting with this…

Mr. Hurley, Starting this year?

Ms. Stroud, For next year. For 2003.

Mr. Hurley, Alright. So instead of this year getting what we got last year, what you are proposing is 25% less for next year than what we got. Am I understanding what the agreement is?

Ms. Stroud, That's right.

Mr. Carmichael, Of general fund money.

Ms. Stroud, Right.

Mr. Carmichael, That's all you are talking about.

Ms. Stroud, Right.

Mr. Hurley, And again, there was an agreement made with, among the Council?

Ms. Martin, It was an understanding with Jackie at the time.

Mrs. Conover, And I believe the commissioners.

Ms. Stroud, Yes.

Ms. Martin, I think Larry was here at the time and Dave was here at the time, but I'd have to check the minutes to be clarified on that.

Mr. Hurley, Now what is the possibility, does it take council action in order to have, last year when we did get the money supplemented to us from the visitors bureau, did that require council action to do that?

Ms. Martin, No. The visitors commission comes to us and distributes.

Mr. Hurley, But they just did that.

Ms. Stroud, There's a formula. I'm the liaison for that. There's a formula that's worked out.
Mr. Hurley, Okay.

Ms. Stroud, From the total amount. The amount, I can tell you this; if it's approved here, it has not changed from last year. So if you go back you'll see the total, the percentages are the same and it was based on $89,100. I can tell you that.

Mr. Hurley, The percentages as to the amount of money they have to distribute?

Ms. Stroud, It's what they have agreed to give to the venues. A total amount; venues meaning, Memorial Opera House, the Expo Center, the Museum and the Parks.

Mr. Hurley, Alright.

Ms. Stroud, And that comes from the convention center.

Mr. Hurley, Forgive me for being a little dense, but.

Ms. Stroud, No, you are not dense.

Mr. Hurley, Does that money, is that money already there what we are talking now at this time, about $31,000 or whatever?

Ms. Stroud, No, that's not part of this. That's part of theirs. You have to go through the process of how you are going to use that money.

Mr. Hurley, Applying to them for the money?

Ms. Stroud, You go through them, then it goes through a committee and then it's approved of how you are going to use that money. But it is there available to you. You just have to apply for it from the convention center--the tourism board. Okay? So that will not change, based on the approval here. But I know the amount is the same.

Mr. Hurley, Alright. So this year we're reducing the amount by 25% and then that will continue every year, year after, until that amount coming from you in this budget process is zero.

Ms. Stroud, Yes, zero.

Ms. Martin, It's about $7,800 a year.

Ms. Stroud, Okay, so what we need to do is, for this, for Personal Services on the Salaries--if I'm doing my math correctly--a reduction of $7,805 from $31,220.

Mr. Carmichael, Are you leaving the facility director in at 31-something?

Ms. Stroud, No.

Ms. Martin, What is the low end for the facility director? Do you have that, Sheila?

Ms. Riley, Yes, hang on one second.

Mr. Hollenbeck, While she's looking, under the Visitors Commission budget, the percentage for the Opera House of their allocation to the venues is 25% and that's budgeted for 2003 at $21,375.

Mr. Hurley, Now 25% of that number or that is the number?

Mr. Hollenbeck, No, that's the number; 25% they have budgeted for the venues in their proposed budget, $85,500.

Ms. Martin, What's that amount?

Ms. Riley, The low is $32,825.

Ms. Martin, That's a $4,454 reduction. So we'd have to have the 144 changed to $32,825. Correct? To take it to the low end? You said $32,825?
Ms. Riley, Yes, $32,825.

Ms. Stroud, Okay.

Ms. Riley, They also have another open position that you can reduce to the low as well.

Ms. Martin, Both of those go to the low?

Ms. Riley, Yes.

Ms. Martin, Okay, what are they?

Ms. Riley, The production manager, the new low would be $22,561.

Ms. Stroud, The operations manager? That one is open.

Ms. Riley, What was that?

Ms. Stroud, Operations manager.

Ms. Riley, Operations manager is not vacant. That is filled right now.

Mrs. Conover, She's doing both jobs.

Ms. Stroud, Oh, she's doing both. Okay.

Mrs. Conover, She's being paid as the operations manager.

Ms. Seibel, Right, I've been appointed interim facility director. I was told it was a different job classification, but my salary has not changed.

Ms. Martin, That's because it's an interim position. The same thing happened with the planning commission.

Mrs. Conover, Is there going to be a new facility director appointed here any time soon?

Mr. Hurley, I think we would hope that there would be.

Mrs. Conover, Are you working with the commissioners on that or?

Mr. Hurley, Well.

Ms. Seibel, We've had, I've had some discussions with Dave Burrus.

Mr. Hurley, As was indicated we just weren't sure with the hiring freeze as to where we could be as to whether could replace jobs or not.

Mrs. Conover, That was going to be my next question. In appointing a new facility director, will there be then two open spots, the operations manager and the production manager, and are either of those two spots going to be filled?

Mrs. Knoblock, With the hiring freeze they can't.

Ms. Stroud, There is a hiring freeze; we're not filling positions.

Ms. Martin, Okay, really in all actuality, with the situation that those two positions that go to the low end, there's about a, there's a $6,393 difference, so you're only losing about $700. With the $700, $24,827 is what you would need then. What I had taken was, they had $37,279. The low end is $32,825. The difference between the two is $4,454. The other position was the production manager; it was $24,500 down to $22,561. The difference was $1,939. $4,454 plus $1,939 is $6,393. So you're only, you're not that much off. About.

Mr. Hurley, $6,300 less?

Ms. Martin, $6,400, even with the positions filled. It's what we're reducing it, which isn't going to affect you, you still have the positions.

Mr. Hurley, Right, reducing it from what? From which number though? The 37 number or the 31 number?

Ms. Martin, It comes off the 31 number.

Mr. Hurley, So what you are talking about is the bottom line at 24-something?

Ms. Martin, What was the bottom line?

Ms. Stroud, $24,827.

Ms. Martin, What was the one we had come up with before?

Mr. Carmichael, $24,847?

Ms. Stroud, No, that was for.

Mr. Hurley, I feel like I just lost at golf and I just have to ask how much, you know, how much can I go.

Ms. Martin, What we had come up with initially was $23,400.

Ms. Stroud, Right.

Ms. Riley, We come up with $23,415, and that's 25%.

Ms. Stroud, That's what I had.

Ms. Martin, So really in all actuality, you're only missing approximately $1,412.

Ms. Riley, Correct.

Mr. Hurley, With, and even when you say that…

Ms. Martin, You have all the positions filled.

Mr. Hurley, You're taking into consideration…

Ms. Martin, You have all the positions filled, it's just two of them go to the low end.

Ms. Stroud, They go to the low end because new people are coming in.

Ms. Martin, So you've saved yourself $6,393 there.

Mrs. Conover, But, they can't fill the positions because we have a hiring freeze.

Ms. Stroud, Correct.

Mrs. Conover, So we're keeping the positions within the budget.

Ms. Martin, Correct. Until the commissioners decide how they want to handle it.

Mr. Ruge, I have a question.

Ms. Stroud, Yes. I'm sorry.

Mr. Ruge, Other departments and everything there was a reduction of 10%, why is there a reduction of 25%?

Ms. Stroud, This was something different to try. When we discussed this, this was a different meeting; this had nothing to do with the 10%. This was to try and get the Memorial Opera House to be self-sufficient.

Mr. Ruge, A different meeting?

Ms. Stroud, Right.

Ms. Martin, So you're really only losing out $1,400. I mean only I say that, but the other positions would, you'd still have those positions to fill. $1,412 would be the difference. It's not like you're losing $7,800. It's just those salaries have reduced.

Ms. Stroud, Do you understand?

Ms. Martin, That's okay. Do you understand now, Ray? You're an attorney you should understand.

Mr. Hurley, I know I should, but I feel bad that I don't. But I guess ultimately my question is, if we've got three people there that are doing the work of four or five, in a human resources situation, sometimes you need to pay people more than they are getting in order for them to have additional responsibility.

Ms. Martin, Okay, but…

Mr. Hurley, Would there be room in that, in the number there to give raises to people in the event that we don't hire somebody else, which it doesn't sound like we're going to be able to.

Ms. Martin, We have a, I think the situation is, we have a committee or we have a guideline that we work by and the calculations from the job description decide how much they are being paid--the individual. It's not a number that we arbitrarily come up with. Like I asked her what the low end was. When a position becomes vacant, then it goes to the low end and that's what happened here; that's why it saved you $6,393. Because when any position, by the salary ordinance, is open it goes to the low end.

Mr. Hurley, Well I don't know that it saved us money, but I think it saved the Council. I mean it saved the general fund money because now we're…

Ms. Martin, Yes, but, see, you still have those positions. Otherwise you would have had to find a way to cut $7,800, which would have meant one-third of those, one position there. I mean most of your positions are $24,000 or whatever. The one is $21,000. A $7,800 reduction is going to bring it to a part-time position and I don't think that's what you wanted to do.

Mr. Hurley, Right.

Ms. Martin, So you can still accomplish what you need with only have a difference of $1,400.

Mr. Hurley, Okay. So the number for the Opera House this year is going to be from the general fund?

Ms. Martin, $23,415. Is that what you said?

Ms. Stroud, Yes.

Mr. Hurley, $23,415.

Ms. Stroud, Right.

Ms. Martin, Did you have those numbers for the salaries so you know what they are going to be? Did you write those down?

Ms. Seibel, Yes, $32,825 for the facility director and $22,561 for the production manager.

Mrs. Conover, Mr. Hurley makes a valid point. I just wanted to point out to the Council, there have been other departments whereas a position has been eliminated permanently and the salaries have been adjusted accordingly. So I guess you have to have some dialogue with the county commissioners on your plan and what it is and what you need to do there. Then that will come before this board. That is in the realm of possibility also.

Mr. Hurley, So a raise would have to come thorough this?

Mrs. Conover, Not a raise, a refactoring of a position. You're assuming other duties. There has not been raises in the last two years, nor will there be next year. But it's the combining of a job; the elimination of a position.

Mr. Hurley, I'll have to learn the lingo. But okay, if we do a refactor that would have to come before the Council?

Mrs. Conover, First of all and foremost, before your commissioners because they are the governing body of this department and their recommendation unto this board.

Mr. Hurley, And we can do that throughout the course of the year? We don't have to do it at budget time?

Mrs. Conover, We've allowed these two positions to stay in place for this particular budget, so they are there.

Mr. Hurley, Right.

Mrs. Conover, So as you're restructuring, keep your dialogue with the commissioners and work with them closely and see what they might be willing to recommend, you know. Then the two entities can come together.

Mrs. Knoblock, If I can use that phrase, we're trying to wean them off of the county budget altogether.

Mrs. Conover, Right, but in the meantime…

Ms. Martin, Well the only thing we would be appropriating is $23,415. If they decide they are going to go with raises or something, then they have to find the money to do it.

Mr. Hurley, Yes, you already appropriated now this money for us?

Ms. Martin, $23,415.

Ms. Stroud, We have to approve it right now.

Ms. Martin, We have to do the 144 Forms.

Ms. Stroud, But we're getting there, yes. Okay, we need to go back and do the 144 for the Facility Director, going from $37,279 to $32,825. The Cultural Projects Coordinator staying the same at $25,304. The Building & Technical Coordinator, $23,500. The Operations Manager, $24,541 and the Production Manager down to $22,561, for a total of $128,731.

Ms. Martin, I just had one question too. Sheila, if that operations manager opened up, what would the low end be on that one?

Ms. Riley, The operations manager, $22,312.

Ms. Martin, That's $2,229, so you've made up that $1,400 already, if that one becomes open and it goes to the low end.

Ms. Stroud, Now we need to approve the reduction on the Salaries, line 1110, from $31,220 to $23,415.

Ms. Martin, Wait, we need…

Ms. Stroud, I'm sorry…

Ms. Martin, A motion for the 144.

Ms. Stroud, I need a motion on the 144.

Ms. Martin moved to approve the 2003 144 Form for Memorial Opera House, the amount of $128,731. Mr. Carmichael seconded, motion carried.

Ms. Stroud, I'm sorry. Under Personal Services, line 1110, a reduction from $31,220 to $23,415 and the total amount that would be approved then would be $23,415. Motion to approve?

Ms. Martin moved to approve the 2003 budget for Memorial Opera House, the amount of $23,415. Mr. West seconded, motion carried.

Ms. Stroud, Thank you.

PRINT SHOP 01.86

Ms. Stroud, Print Shop.

Lee Childress, Good evening.

Ms. Stroud, Good evening. Let's see, do we have to do a 144 for him. Last year we approved two for him. I don't think so.

Ms. Martin, I don't know what he had last year.

Ms. Stroud, $51,881.

Ms. Martin, No, we didn't have the part-time last year, so we have to do the 144. We have to set the $9 an hour.

Ms. Stroud, With the 144, last year you did not have any part-time, so you have $9 an hour at $14,000. We need to do the 144 for that.

Ms. Martin moved to approve the 2003 144 Form for the Print Shop, the amounts of $28,623 and $9. Mr. Carmichael seconded, motion carried.

Ms. Stroud, Personal Services, line 1110, $28,623, Hourly, $14,000, for a total of $42,623. Under Supplies, line item 2110, $200 and under Office Fixtures 2120, $200, for a total of $400. Other Services & Charges, Printing other than Office Supplies, line 3310, an increase to $18,900. Equipment Repair & Maintenance, line 3630, $200. For a total of Other Services & Charges of $19,100. Your budget came out less than last year. It came out to $62,123.

Mr. Carmichael moved to approve the 2003 budget for the Print Shop, the amount of $62,123. Mrs. Conover seconded, motion carried.

Ms. Stroud, Thank you, Lee.

EXPO CENTER 146.66

Ms. Stroud, Expo Center. Good evening, Mr. Steele.

Lonnie Steele, Good evening.

Ms. Stroud, You survived the fair I see.

Mr. Steele, I did.

Ms. Stroud, There's not any difference on your 144, so we can go over to the Personal Services. Salaries stayed the same, line 1110, $56,000. Hourly 1120, $92,700. For a total of $148,700. Under Supplies, 2110 Office Supplies went up to $1,300. Line 2120, $250. For a total of $1,550 in that particular section. Operating Supplies, Gas & Fuel 2210, $2,000. 2220, $500. 2230, $28,000. Other Supplies 2250, $2,800. For a total in that particular section of $33,300. Repair & Maintenance, 2310, $800. 2330 Household & Bedding, $8,500. Small Tools 2340, $200. 2350 Building Maintenance at $7,000. For a total in that section of $16,500, for a grand total of $51,350 for supplies. Other Services & Charges, 3130 Training & Education, $500. Telephone, $4,700, line 3320. 3230 Postage, $1,250. Advertising 3340, $1,750. Utility Services, 3510, $79,200. 3520, $15,600. Repair & Maintenance, 3610 Maintenance agreements, $1,200. 3620 Building & Structures, $12,000. 3630 Equipment other than Vehicles, $4,200 and 3650 Vehicle Repair, $1,100. Under Rentals, 3710, you have $500. Other Services & Charges, 3920 Disposal, $3,000. 3930 Dues & Subscriptions, $2,000. Contractual Services 3950 increased to $41,000. 3980 Event Expense, $17,500, for a total on that section of $63,500. Grant total for Total Services & Charges, $185,500. In the 4000 series, the Capital Outlays, 4540, $6,500 for Other Equipment. For a grand total of $392,050. Questions? I have a question. Contractual, is that your salary?

Mr. Steele, No.

Ms. Stroud, What is it?

Mr. Steele, It's contractual services for the management of the Expo Center. It's not a salary.

Ms. Stroud, It's not a salary?

Ms. Martin, No, a salary would be on the other. It's a contract.

Ms. Stroud, And you're under contract, but it would be to you, right?

Mr. Steele, That's correct or to whoever is doing it.

Mrs. Knoblock, The Event Expense almost doubled. Right?

Mr. Steele, It did. If you look at our budget for this year with all the extra things we are doing to try to raise money to make the place self sufficient, we have spent 80% of our budget by July 1st in order to do that. In order for us to continue to raise money so that we can reduce the amount that we are expecting from the general fund, we are going to have to spend money to make money. I'm suggesting to you that we have three new events that we're doing in 2002 and will continue to do in 2003 that will raise money for the Expo Center. In order to do that we have to have supplies and take care of the expenses of putting on those events. I have a women's show weekend that will be a two-day event, instead of a one-day event, and it's all done by the staff of the Expo Center, which brings in a great of money that I believe is going to allow us to reduce the amount of money that we're expecting from the general fund. We're also having a load of things that I could discuss with you if you want to get into the details, the other things that cost us money in order to put them on.

Mrs. Conover, Mr. Steele, is it true that we are about, what you bring in from the rental of the facility, we're about at or almost even with what your funding budget is out of the general fund to what you are bringing in from all of the events and the related fees?

Mr. Steele, Yes.

Mrs. Conover, It's my understanding that you've really turned…

Ms. Martin, This is not the general fund. This is its own fund.

Mrs. Conover, This fund here?

Ms. Martin, It's not a general fund. He has his own money.

Mrs. Conover, But you're about breaking even?

Ms. Martin, Well he doesn't cover FICA, PERF or medical.

Mr. Steele, That's correct.

Mrs. Conover, And that comes out of the…

Ms. Martin, The commissioners.

Mr. Steele, Yes.

Ms. Martin, That's what, $28,000 or something?

Mr. Steele, I think it's less than that now. I believe it is. I don't know exactly what that figure is, Karen, but I think it's less than that.
Ms. Martin, It was like 26 or 28.

Mr. Steele, Yes, I think you're right about 26.

Mrs. Knoblock, You have a lot of nice changes.

Mrs. Conover, Yes, some real positive changes.

Mr. Steele, Well it's a situation where I really feel that the staff is committed to making that place self sufficient, but I'm not ready to guarantee that it's going to be the case in 2003. If we're allowed to continue it the way we are going, I believe by 2004 we won't ask you for anything. We won't ask the commissioners for anything.

Mrs. Conover, You do understand you are still part of the challenge grant offer by the Tourism Bureau.

Mr. Steele, Yes, and we're certainly using that money.

Ms. Riley, This year they are down $50,000 over last year.

Mr. Carmichael, For the whole year?

Ms. Riley, That's up through current. Actually through the end of July.

Ms. Martin, The same time last year?

Ms. Riley, The same time last year compared to this year, they are down $50,786.45.

Mr. Carmichael, Did you have a schedule of events or something that caused that?

Mr. Steele, I would have to study that to tell you the answer to that, Bill. I don't have that answer. I would like to study that so I could I answer your question about that. If we need to come back again I'll have an answer for you.

Mrs. Conover, Going back to what Carole said, there's been a lot of positive changes. I appreciate going out there.

Mr. Steele, Well I think your question is, do we have more income every year. I'm anticipating that we should, but Sheila just reported to you that we are $50,000 less at this point in time than we were last year at this time. That would not seem to indicate that's the case. So Sheila and I need to talk about that a little bit. I don't follow quite why we are $50,000 down. I don't have an answer for that. My honest opinion is that when 2002 ends we will have more income than we did in 2001. My answer to you is I believe we are doing far better. We have to be, based on the events we have going on out there.

Ms. Stroud, I think everybody has been real pleased with what's been going on out there. I don't think that's a problem. I know you have some events coming up Labor Day.

Mr. Steele, I would suggest to you; may I answer the question regarding the $50,000? I believe I know what that is. I believe it has to do with an insurance payment that came in on the roofs out there that had to be repaired and an insurance payment that would cause that difference. I would like to study that a little bit further and be certain I'm right on that. But that was kind of an in-out situation with the insurance. I could stand corrected on that, Sheila, but let's check on that.

Ms. Riley, I've got it right now.

Ms. Stroud, I was going to say what we could do, Lonnie--and I don't know how the rest of them feel, but--we could have you come back on the 19th when the commissioners are here, because part of your budget does come under the commissioners.

Mr. Steele, I would be happy to do that.

Ms. Stroud, Then maybe we could get some of these other questions answered on September 19th. I don't know how the rest feel.

Ms. Martin, That's the Council, so he knows so he can.

Ms. Stroud, Yes, we can figure it out.

Ms. Martin, I mean putting him on the spot with him not knowing at least he can do some research.

Ms. Stroud, Yes. What are the feelings of the rest of you? Is that okay, Bill?

Mr. Carmichael, What?

Ms. Stroud, Having him come back on the 19th, so we can get these other things answered, because some of the things, he comes under the commissioners.

Mr. Steele, Sheila, do you have anything for the month of August yet?

Mr. Carmichael, What purpose would it serve?

Ms. Riley, We have a $16,000 deposit for August, that's all we've got so far. Shouldn't you be getting more in August?

Mr. Carmichael, He's getting the answer right now.

Mr. Steele, But it's not $50,000. No, not with the fair in July, the August amount is always down. I need to come back with more information on that difference that they have there on that $50,000. There has to be an explanation.

Ms. Stroud, Okay.

Mr. Steele, That's a matter that I don't know.

Ms. Stroud, So we'll put you on for September 19th, if that's okay with the rest of you.

Mrs. Conover, We're not approving this tonight?

Ms. Stroud, Right, we'll just hold off on this one. Thanks, Lonnie.

BUILDING DEPARTMENT 01.29

Ms. Stroud, Building Department. Good evening.

Ray Weltz, Evening.

Ms. Stroud, I didn't see any changes in your budget. Am I correct?

Mr. Weltz, Yes, except we do have to make one little correction in the 3000 series.

Ms. Stroud, In the 3000 series what is that correction?

Mr. Weltz, Line 3120 shows $1,200 and it should be under 3130.

Ms. Stroud, I did highlight on mine. The amount is the same, but you want it on 3130 Training & Education.

Ms. Riley, What was that correction?

Ms. Stroud, On his budget he typed on the wrong line. It should be 3130 Training & Education, $1,200.

Ms. Riley, That's what we have.

Ms. Stroud, Well we corrected it the other day.

Mr. Weltz, Everything else stays the same. The bottom line is the same.
Ms. Stroud, Okay, the bottom line on this budget is $78,129. I need a motion.

Mr. Carmichael moved to approve the 2003 budget for the Building Department, the amount of $78,129. Mrs. Knoblock seconded, motion carried.

Mr. Weltz, Thank you.

Ms. Stroud, Thank you.

EXTENSION OFFICE 01.23

Ms. Stroud, Extension Office. Hi, Ladies.

Karen DeZarn, Hi. We have some requests for a change.

Ms. Stroud, Yes, and I'm trying to get out my paper that has the different salaries on it. Okay, what is your request before we get into this?

Ms. DeZarn, Our request is, we will be losing a position of business manager in the middle of September. We would like to hire the 4-H manager position and change the amount, like office manager, $25,304, and 4-H manager at $21,813. We'd still have the $7,555 and then there would be a difference of $1,424 to move to part-time.

Ms. Stroud, What was that amount, I'm sorry?

Ms. DeZarn, $1,424 would be moved to the hourly salaries.

Ms. Martin, You verified that low end, that $21,815?

Carrie Hanks, Yes, that's what on the, I think if you look next to the 4-H manager it's in there. That's the low end, I believe. The 4-H manager position was laid off.

Ms. DeZarn, Right, that's the one that was laid off in April.

Ms. Stroud, What title are you going to use here?

Ms. DeZarn, 4-H manager.

Ms. Stroud, Just 4-H manager, and not have a business manager or do you want to take the business manager out? Is that what you want to do?

Ms. DeZarn, That's correct. Well we don't want to actually remove it all the way, but move it to hourly.

Ms. Stroud, Okay. So your office manager and then you would have a 4-H manager.

Ms. DeZarn, Right, then we could hire a part-time bookkeeper. Is there a chance we could increase the rate of pay on the Hourly, also?

Ms. Martin, I think some have $9 for clerical work, if I'm not wrong. Some of the other ones have $8 and some have $8.75, so.

Mr. Carmichael, What is she asking for?

Ms. Martin, Like Print Shop has $9.

Ms. DeZarn, I would like to ask for $12. I didn't know if that was a possibility.

Ms. Martin, No it's usually medical and things that are sort of technical.

Ms. Stroud, Yes, higher end.

Ms. DeZarn, That's what I wanting a higher rate.

Mr. Carmichael, What did you want it set at?

Ms. DeZarn, My request was $12, so that's what I wanted to see what your limit was.

Mr. Carmichael, What's your second request?

Ms. Stroud, Go to your second plan now.

Ms. DeZarn, Your maximum amount?

Mrs. Conover, $9.

Mr. Carmichael, $9.

Ms. Stroud, $9. The Hourly then, $3,250 times.

Ms. DeZarn, That changes on the next page.

Ms. Stroud, That is going to change it to $12,225. Salaries go to 47--see if I'm right--117. I get a total of $59,342. For your Salaries on the 144 will be $47,117. The Hourly would be $12,225. Total, but at $9 an hour. We just changed it to $9 an hour on the 144. I need approval for the 144.

Mrs. Knoblock moved to approve the 2003 144 Form for the Extension Office, the amounts of $47,117 and $9. Mr. West seconded, motion carried.

Ms. Stroud, The 144 is approved. Let's go to the next page. Sheila, did you have a question or comment?

Ms. Riley, I just have one question. I just want to understand. The office manager is going to be $25,314.

Ms. Stroud, Yes.

Ms. Riley, Then the 4-H manager at $21,813, but no business manager.

Ms. Stroud, Right, we are just going to leave it in there, but the salary…

Ms. Riley, Is zero?

Ms. Stroud, Correct.

Ms. Riley, Okay, I just wanted to double check.

Ms. Stroud, And we changed the $8 to $9. Okay? Now see if we did our math correctly over here. For Salaries, for 1110, it should be $47,117 and for the Hourly, $12,225.

Ms. Riley, Yes, $12,225.

Ms. Stroud, For a total of $59,341, which is what they had in there.

Ms. Riley, Right.

Ms. Stroud, Go down to Supplies, line 2110, they've changed that from last year to $3,065. 2120 stayed the same at $50. So the total in that section is $3,115. Operating Supplies 2250, $50. For Total Supplies at $3,165. Training 3130, $150. Travel 3210, $7,000. All the rest down to 3630, $75. Go over to Other Services, 3930 Dues & Subscriptions went to $565. Extension Staff.

Ms. Martin, They have contracts with Purdue.

Ms. Stroud, Yes, it is $110,835. For a total in that section of $111,400. For a grand total in Other Services & Charges of $118,725. Their budget remains at $181,232. For those of you in the audience, 3955 Extension Staff, that has to do with the Purdue Extension--the salaries that are in there.

Mrs. Knoblock moved to approve the 2003 budget for the Extension Office, the amount of 181,232. Mrs. Conover seconded, motion carried.

At this time, there was a five-minute break.

EXTENSION OFFICE 01.23 - RESUMED

Ms. Stroud, We need to go back to address something for the Extension Office before we move on here. Would you ladies like to come up?

Ms. DeZarn, We thought we would request to change our 144 for the remainder of this year.

Ms. Stroud, Okay.

Ms. DeZarn, I don't have the exact amount that's left from the business manager, to then change over to 4-H manager. That's what I would like to do.

Ms. Martin, We just do the salary changes. We don't need the final.

Ms. Stroud, Yes, we just need the salary change on it.

Ms. Martin, Because it would be just the same as 2003 though. Right?

Ms. DeZarn, Yes.

Ms. Stroud, So it would be $21,813 for the year.

Ms. DeZarn, That's correct.

Ms. Stroud, Let's see, where are we, September, October, November and December.

Ms. Martin, It doesn't matter, you just put the salary in. It's $21,813.

Ms. Stroud, Okay. So we need a 144 for this year. We need to approve for her 4-H manager to be at $21,813. Am I correct?

Ms. Martin moved to amend the 2002 144 Form for the Extension Office, 4-H Manager to $21,813. Mr. Carmichael seconded, motion carried.

Ms. DeZarn, I should have asked for another thing, about the Hourly.

Ms. Stroud, What about the Hourly?

Ms. DeZarn, To change that to the $9 starting the rest of this year.

Mr. West, I thought we did that already.

Ms. Stroud, Not for the next year, she needs it for this year. What is the wish of the Council?

Mrs. Conover moved to amend the 2002 144 Form for the Extension Office, Hourly to $9. Mr. Carmichael seconded, motion carried.

Ms. Stroud, There you go, you're all set.

Ms. DeZarn, Does this need to then be turned in?

Ms. Stroud, Yes, you'll have to get it into the Auditor's office.

ENVIRONMENTAL 01.33

Ms. Stroud, Environmental. I think I have the right budget here, Environmental, general fund, 01.33. Let's see, your 144 is the same. Let's go over to the next page. I think this was a budget that remains the same. Am I correct?

Russell Shirley, No changes.

Ms. Stroud, No change. I like to hear that. For the environmental budget, it was $86,953.

Mrs. Knoblock moved to approve the 2003 budget for Environmental, the amount of $86,953. Mrs. Conover seconded, motion carried.

HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCE 94

Ms. Stroud, For the Hazardous Substance Fund, which is 94.33, again, I scrutinized and went through and I did not see any changes. Am I correct?

Mr. Shirley, That's correct.

Ms. Stroud, Okay, the total amount for that budget is $90,700.

Mr. Carmichael moved to approve the 2003 budget for the Hazardous Substance Fund, the amount of $90,700. Ms. Martin seconded, motion carried.

Ms. Stroud, Okay, you're done. Thank you.

Mr. Shirley, Thank you.

JAIL 01.32

Revision of Medical Staff Job Descriptions

Ms. Stroud, Now we get to the Jail. Before we get started, we do have something as a council to take care of. All of you should have received the job descriptions. I worked with the Sheriff's Department and I also consulted Ray Temple and I also consulted Dale, because they did not have the descriptions and the PAT's and COMOT's in there. You were sent a packet and we need to approve this as far as these descriptions. If I could have a motion or if there is any discussion on it. Any questions on it?
You can look at the--I can tell you this--numbers like for the Medical Director, PAT 470, that's about mid. The Registered Nurse--I have to get it out--the registered nurse at PAT 450 is near the low end. The LPN/CMA at $24,960, COMOT 430. Again--let's see-430 is near the low end. It's not even at the mid. Then the QMA is non-exempt, COMOT 345, again, it's near the low end. They do have to have some training and so on, so that's why it's not right at the low end. What I need is your approval of these descriptions before we go on.

Ms. Martin, I just had a question. I'm looking at this and I'm looking at the 144 and the numbers are different for the RN. There's like a $1,000 difference.

Ms. Stroud, Go over to the right-hand side.

Ms. Martin, $31,900.

Ms. Stroud, No, $30,786.

Ms. Martin, Okay, well mine says $31,900.

Ms. Stroud, That's what they had originally in there for last year, but…

Ms. Martin, This is the one I've got, this year.

Ms. Stroud, Oh that's wrong.

Ms. Martin, That's what I am saying.

Ms. Stroud, It should be $30,786.

Mr. Carmichael, It's corrected in the new one here.

Ms. Stroud, Yes.

Ms. Martin, Bill, I don't have the new one is what I am saying.

Mrs. Conover, I don't either.
Mr. Carmichael, What I am saying is that it is corrected.

Ms. Stroud, Then I'm going to read through these, but it should be, the RN, should be $30,786. Okay.

Mrs. Conover, So these efforts are a combination of yourself, Ray Temple and Dave Reynolds?

Ms. Stroud, Yes and also Dale. I passed them onto Dale to look them over. Okay? So that you know where we were coming from when these were set. They wanted it done before they moved over to the new jail. Does anybody else have any questions on this?

Mr. Carmichael moved to adopt the Jail's revised job descriptions as follows: Medical Director, FLSA status as exempt, PAT 470, salary at $35,500; RN, FLSA status as exempt, PAT 450, salary at $30,786; LPN/CMA, FLSA status as non-exempt, COMOT 430, salary at $24,960; and QMA, FLSA status as non-exempt, salary at $19,997. Mr. West seconded, motion carried.

Ms. Stroud, Alright, that's said and done. Let's look at this. Do we need to go through the 144 again? There some changes in the 144 from last year so there is a change in the total, where it was a matter of people moving up. I'll go through and read the line items. On the 144, Jail Commander, $37,815. Assistant Jail Commander, One, $33,815. Seven Sergeants at $28,557, For a total of $199,899. Three Corporals, $26,244, for a total of $78,732. 19 Jailers at $25,380 at $482,220.

Mrs. Knoblock, 18.

Mrs. Conover, 18 jailers?

Mrs. Knoblock, Yes.

Ms. Stroud, For this next year it's 19. What they did is they've moved up a probationary jailer to 2nd class jailer and a 2nd class up to a 1st class.

Mrs. Conover, I need to change this then. We're looking at 19 jailers?

Ms. Stroud, For this coming year.

Mrs. Knoblock, And what was the total again?

Ms. Stroud, $482,220.

Mrs. Conover, Alright, the total didn't change, just the number.

Ms. Stroud, Correct. Okay, Jailer 2nd class, seven of them at $171,535. No Probationary. Matron, $35,312, there's one. One Cook I at $22,165. One Cook II at $20,637. A Medical Director at $35,500. A Medical Director/RN Assistant at $30,786. The LPN's, three at $24,960, which makes it $74,880. For a total of $1,223,296. I need a motion to approve the 144.

Mrs. Knoblock, There's more on the other side.

Ms. Stroud, I'm sorry, we could have done it either way. Alright, the Court Security Lieutenant, one at $29,016. Court Security Corporal, one at $25,380. Court Security Officers, eight at $22,250, for a total of $178,000. There's no Probation Court Security Officer. For a total of $232,396. Part-time Cook, 800 hours at $8 an hour, for $6,400. Overtime at $5,500. The total for the two of them together would be $1,455,692 for the Salaries. Hourly would be $6,400. Overtime, $5,500. Also in the total if you're going over the Personal Services would be Merit Pay, but we need to do the 144 first.

Mrs. Knoblock, Read the salaries again, one million what?

Ms. Stroud, $1,455,692.

Mrs. Knoblock, Okay, I thought you said something else.

Mrs. Conover moved to approve the 2003 144 Form for the Jail, the amounts of $1,455,692, $8, and $5,500. Mr. West seconded, motion carried.

Ms. Stroud, Okay, under Personal Services then, Salaries 1110 is $1,455,692. Hourly 1120 is $6,400. 1130 Overtime, $5,500. 1140 Merit Pay at $1,250. For a total of $1,468,842. Supplies, Office Supplies 2110, $1,500. Operating Supplies, 2220 Uniforms & Clothing, $35,000. 2230 Food & Groceries, $170,000. 2250 Other Supplies, $5,000. Repair & Maintenance stayed the same. 2330 at $35,000. Other Supplies, 2410 Medical & Dental, $22,500. For a total in the Supplies of $269,000. In Other Services & Charges, 3130 Training & Education, $500. 3140 Medical & Hospital Services, $20,000. Insurance 3420, $1,500. Repair & Maintenance, 3610 Maintenance Agreements, $4,000. 3630 Equipment other than Vehicles, $5,000. Other Services & Charges, line 3950, $36,000. For a total of $67,000 for Other Services & Charges. Down at the bottom, Capital Outlays, 4430 should be $3,000, if anybody has $7,000. It should be $3,000. The Capital Outlays total is $3,000. Total budget, $1,807,842.

Mrs. Conover, The change in the budget is due to the fact that we had a probationary moving up.

Ms. Stroud, Correct. There's an increase in their budget of $636.

Mrs. Conover moved to approve the 2003 budget for the Jail, the amount of $1,807,842. Mr. West seconded, motion carried.

PUBLIC SAFETY 01.20

Ms. Stroud, Public Safety, budget 01.20. There is a change in their 144 and again it's due to people moving up. You know, we have this shifting around here. I will go through it. Radio Supervisor stays the same at $32,750. IDACS Coordinator, one at $31,250. Radio Shift Supervisor, they have four, salaries at $30,475, total, $121,900. The 1st Class Operators go to 15; the salary is $29,750, for a total of $446,250. We take out the 2nd Class Operator and there are no Probationary Operators. There is one Computer Operations Administrator at $15,732. For a total of $647,882. The Overtime stays the same, so I need approval on the 144.

Ms. Martin moved to approve the 2003 144 Form for Public Safety, the amounts of $647,882 and $13,000. Mr. West seconded, motion carried.

Ms. Stroud, So we had a difference there of $2,000 last year. Personal Services, Salaries 1110, $647,882. Overtime, line 1130 at $13,000. For a total of $660,882. Under Supplies, Office Supplies 2110 stays the same at $1,500. 2250 Other Supplies at $4,500. The Supply area stayed the same at $6,000. For Other Services & Charges, 3130 Training & Education, $2,000. Down the rest of that page, nothing. Total Other Services, $2,000. The budget came out to $668,882. The only change was the $2,000 because of the move up.

Mr. Carmichael moved to approve the 2003 budget for Public Safety, the amount of $668,882. Mr. West seconded, motion carried.

SHERIFF 01.05

Ms. Stroud, Again, from last year to this year there's a little decrease; did you think we were going to hear that from the police. Okay, I'm going to go through and read off. Sheriff, we have one sheriff, in case all of you didn't know, $90,350. One Chief Deputy, $43,775. We have one Major, $41,775. Captains stay the same, four, for a total of $161,100. Five Lieutenants, $193,875, stays the same. Sergeants stayed the same, for a total of $372,750. Corporals stayed the same, $145,100. Patrol Officers 1st Class decreased by two to $1,129,984. Patrol Officers 2nd Class increased by two and that amount is $115,452. No Probationary Patrol Officers. We have two Process Servers for a total of $59,096. Investigations Administrative Assistant at $26,188. The Warrants Division and so on, one person at $26,675. For a total on the first page of $2,406,120. One the second page, again, there's a little difference. Records Manager, one at $26,675. Warrant Clerk, one at $21,809. The Civil Bureau Clerk/Protective Orders, one at $21,809. Civil Bureau Clerk/Protective Orders/NCIC-IDACS, one at $22,107. Clerk/Bookkeeper, one at $23,593. Records Division Data Entry, one at $20,322. Records Division/Counter/Switchboard, one at $21,087. Records Division/Front Desk, one at $18,213. Logistics & Training Coordinator, one at $25,377. For a total of $220,992. Hourly stayed the same. Emergency Personnel stayed the same and so on. We need a motion to approve these two 144's.

Mr. West moved to approve the 2003 144 Form for the Sheriff's Department, the amounts of $2,607,112, $8, $9, $8, $33,000 and $3,600. Mrs. Conover seconded, motion carried.

Ms. Stroud, Personal Services, Salaries, under line 1110, $2,607,112. Hourly 1120, $24,872. 1130 Overtime, $33,000. 1140 Merit Pay at $94,000. 1160 Hazardous Duty Pay at $3,000. For a total of $2,761,984. PERF did increase to $447,942. Boards 1340, $3,600. 1370 Physical & Psychology, $1,500. For a grand total in Total Personal Services of $3,215,026. Supplies, line 2110, $3,500. Operating Supplies, 2210 Gas, $90,000. Uniforms 2220, $27,500. Other Supplies, line 2250 at $12,000. Ammunition stayed the same, 2254, at $25,000. Total Supplies at $158,000. Other Services & Charges, 3130 Training & Education, $14,000. 3310 Printing, $2,000. 3630 at $5,000. Contractual Attorney, line 3951 at $3,000. Total Other Services & Charges, $24,000. Under Machinery & Equipment, Other Mobile Equipment 4430, $5,000. Capital Outlays, $5,000. Grand total, $3,402,026. In actuality, there's a little difference in their budget of $17,416, but that had to do with the movement. I need a motion here.

Mr. West moved to approve the 2003 budget for the Sheriff's Department, the amount of $3,402,026. Mrs. Conover seconded, motion carried.

SHERIFF'S GARAGE 01.42

Ms. Stroud, With the Sheriff's Garage--if my eyes again were good--I did not see any changes. So the Sheriff's Garage stays the same as last year at $157,100.

Mrs. Conover moved to approve the 2003 budget for the Sheriff's Garage, the amount of $157,100. Mr. West seconded, motion carried.

Chief Deputy Lain, Before we leave, I would really like to thank the Council for what they've put in on hammering this out, as well as, Sgt. Mike Krawczyk and Debbie Harlow. They worked a lot of hours on putting this together.

Ms. Stroud, Thank you.



Ms. Stroud, There were some things Dave was going to go over, but he's not here. I have a couple of things that's nothing dramain, in the sense of, I had some questions that some people had asked me. We are scheduled in September for our regular meeting on the 24th. We have a budget hearing on the 19th. Now I know we have tomorrow night, but we have a meeting on the 24th and some people have asked me if we are going to meet that night because it is the State Convention for Counties and it's being held over in Merrillville. I had gotten a couple of calls to see if we were going to have our regular meeting that night. At the wishes of the Council, I haven't checked any dates out or if you want to move it or whatever, but I didn't know how many of you were planning on attending or attending any of the events.

Mr. Carmichael, Are you talking about the 19th?

Ms. Stroud, No, the 24th of September, that week.

Mr. Carmichael, Why don't we combine the 24th and the 19th meeting?

Mr. West, Why don't we do that, that's a good idea.

Ms. Stroud, I don't know how much stuff…

Ms. Martin, Because the notification…

Mrs. Dziabo, I can't get it done.

Ms. Martin, They can't get the notification or the request in by then.

Ms. Stroud, No.

Ms. Martin, There's not enough time.

Ms. Stroud, Not enough time, it's too late.

Ms. Martin, Did I catch that right?

Ms. Stroud, Yes.

Mr. Carmichael, Well those that can show up will show up and those that don't show up don't show up.
Mrs. Vuko, Can't we have this in the morning?

Ms. Stroud, We can't because of working situations for some people, the council members.

Ms. Martin, Anything before 3:00 I'm still sleeping.

Ms. Stroud, So I mean I don't have a problem with putting it together, but according the Auditor, there's not enough time to advertise it for the people who want to be on the agenda. I don't know if there were any pertinent things that had come up or been mentioned for the agenda. Do you know, Jan? Have you gotten anything at all?

Ms. Balcerak, I know there are a few things, but I think they've already been filed down there.

Ms. Stroud, They're already filed?

Ms. Balcerak, Yes.

Ms. Martin, With the additionals, I think the only problem there would be is if they are additionals. If there's no additionals we can handle the transfers on the 19th?

Mrs. Dziabo, There are a lot.

Ms. Martin, There are a lot of additionals?

Mrs. Dziabo, Yes.

Ms. Martin, Okay.

Ms. Stroud, There are a lot of additionals, so we have to do them at our next meeting.

Mr. Carmichael, Do it in October.

Ms. Stroud, How about the 1st of October, which would be the following week? Even though that would give us two meetings in October, we don't meet again until the 22nd, which is at the end of the month. Does anybody have a problem with that?

Ms. Martin, Well, the other thing is, we could always move the other one too, because in all actuality, because of that holiday week, we could just move the beginning of December, have the beginning of December as our last meeting like we normally do.

Ms. Stroud, Right.

Ms. Martin, And have it the beginning November, the beginning of October. Just have those three.

Ms. Stroud, No, we could go the 1st of October and we could move the October down to the middle of the month if we wanted to. Then we don't meet in November. See?

Ms. Martin, Yes, but I don't think you have enough time in between, only two weeks, that doesn't make any sense to have a meeting in two weeks.

Ms. Stroud, No, I agree. Well, it would be three weeks.

Ms. Martin, By the time you get them in the deadlines, you don't.

Mrs. Dziabo, October 1st and November 1st?

Ms. Stroud, I mean I don't care.

Ms. Martin, That's what I would say, the first week of October, the first week of November, the first week of December.

Ms. Stroud, The first week of November, wait a minute.

Ms. Martin, Well it's the election.
Ms. Stroud, That's election night. You can't do that.

Ms. Martin, We don't have to have it on a Tuesday though. We're changing the date; we can have it any night.

Ms. Stroud, Yes, that's true. If it's all right with everybody, change the September meeting to October 1st. Is that agreeable?

Ms. Martin, Yes.

Ms. Stroud, Then anybody can do whatever they want to do.

Mr. Carmichael, Good.

Ms. Stroud, Is that okay? Then we'll have to set another one. Like you said, we could go the first week in November after the election. We can't go election night. I'm not going to.

Mr. Carmichael, Was everything read on second reading tonight?

Ms. Stroud, Yes, everything was read on second reading.

Mr. Carmichael, Except for the Expo Center.

Ms. Stroud, Except for the Expo Center.

Mr. Carmichael, That was transferred to the next meeting. Is that correct?

Ms. Martin, On the 19th it's transferred to. The same night as the commissioners.

Mr. Carmichael, I move to recess.

Mr. West, Second.

Ms. Stroud, Okay.

There being no further business, meeting recessed at 8:05 p.m.

SECOND READING
Wednesday, August 28, 2002

Second Readings reconvened on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 at 5:15 p.m. Those members present were Karen Conover, Karen Martin, John Ruge, Leon West, President Barbara Stroud and Carole Knoblock, who were not present at roll call. Also present was Auditor Sandra Vuko, Jamie Dziabo, Sheila Riley, Vicki Bonich, Jan Balcerak and Attorney David Hollenbeck, who was not present at roll call.

The meeting was called to order with the Pledge of Allegiance.

CLERK 01.01

Ms. Stroud, First to come before us is the Clerk's office. Good evening.

Dale Brewer, Good evening.

Ms. Stroud, In going through your budget, I did not find any changes in any of the line items. I'll go through and read just to double check the figures with the Auditor's office if they are ready to go. I'm sorry, going back, did you change your Hourly on the 144 or is it a typo?

Ms. Brewer, I put it to $9.50.

Ms. Stroud, Yes, but does that change your total?

Ms. Brewer, No, because I don't have any hourly in there. That's just in case I get some.

Ms. Stroud, Okay.
Ms. Brewer, There's no hourly line item. On the general fund?

Ms. Stroud, Yes.

Ms. Brewer, Nothing.

Ms. Stroud, Nothing, because don't we have to change it when it's on the 144?

Ms. Martin, If we're going to change it to $9.50.

Ms. Stroud, If it's going to be changed to $9.50 we have to do a new 144 on it.

Ms. Martin, We have to approve the 144 on it.

Ms Stroud, Approve it.

Mr. West, Why don't we change it to $9.50?

Ms. Martin, Well she's saying she can leave it at $9. That's, she was just clarifying.

Ms. Brewer, I'm leaving it at $9, but there is no money in that line item anyway.

Ms. Stroud, Okay. So if we leave it at $9 then we don't have to do the 144.

Ms. Brewer, Fine.

Ms. Stroud, Okay, I'm going to go through and read the figures--if you will. Salaries 1110, $1,019,721 and that's the total for Personal Services. Office Supplies, $23,671. $125 for Law Books for a total of $23,796. For Training & Education, $2,000. In the 3000 series, 3610, there is a change. I'm sorry, there is a change from $6,310 to $4,310. Equipment other than Vehicles stayed the same at $250. 3710 Equipment went from $5,000 to $7,000. Other Services & Charges, for 3930, $355. For a total of $13,915. Office Equipment 4410 was $575. For a total of $1,058,007. Correct?

Ms. Martin moved to approve the 2003 budget for the Clerk, the amount of $1,058,007. Mrs. Conover seconded, motion carried.

CLERK INCENTIVE 50.01

At this point, Mr. Hollenbeck joined the meeting.

Ms. Stroud, For the next one, Clerk Incentive, the hourly, you want to raise to $9.50. Is that general fund money?

Ms. Brewer, No.

Ms. Stroud, No, I'm sorry, that's incentive money. It's a different fund. What are the wishes of the Council?

Ms. Martin, Well my only consideration would be here is due to the fact that we did not give any raises to the Highway or others.

Ms. Brewer, Leave it at $9.

Ms. Martin, Even though they had monies.

Ms. Stroud, Okay, we'll just leave at $9. Then we don't have to do a new 144. So I need a motion.

Mrs. Conover, So moved.

Ms. Stroud, Second?

Ms. Martin, We didn't do anything to it.

Ms. Stroud, Oh, we don't have to do anything to it, so we can go on here.
CLERK PERPETUATION 199.01

At this point, Mr. Hollenbeck joined the meeting.

Ms. Stroud, Clerk Perpetuation, you'll notice that the perpetuation fund number is 199.01 and it stays the same as far as the two that you have in there, Deputy Records and Deputy County Records. For salaries on…

Ms. Brewer, Do you want to leave that at $9.50?

Ms. Stroud, Well wait a minute on the old one I don't have an hourly rate in there.

Ms. Brewer, No, I'm asking for it.

Ms. Stroud, Oh, you're asking for it. There's no hourly in there at all?

Ms. Brewer, No.

Mr. West, Which one is that?

Ms. Stroud, The perpetuation.

Ms. Martin, Perpetuation fund.

Ms. Stroud, See if you go to next page she doesn't have any in the perpetuation. This year she wants to put $20,000 in there. See now it's not the general fund. But we're back to the same situation.

Ms. Brewer, Well because I'll be completely out of my incentive money.

Ms. Martin, Well, we're not, it's not the same situation. The situation is here, she has the money, it's and we're not going above the $9 rate that some of the other individuals have.

Ms. Stroud, Okay, so the money is in there, but…

Ms. Martin, And it's not the general fund.

Ms. Stroud, Right, and this other was a different case. Okay. So you want to do the $9 an hour?

Ms. Brewer, Yes.

Ms. Stroud, So what we are saying, then we have to do a 144, don't we?

Ms. Martin, Yes.

Ms. Stroud, We have to do a 144. Deputy Records at $21,113 and Deputy County Records at $20,574, for a total of $41,687. Then adding to that would be the Hourly at $9 an hour.

Ms. Martin moved to approve the 2003 144 Form for Clerk Perpetuation, the amounts of $41,687 and $9. Mrs. Conover seconded.

Mr. West, I want to ask a question.

Ms. Stroud, Yes, go ahead.

Mr. West, What determines how much perpetuation money you get?

Ms. Brewer, How many cases are filed. It's a $2 fee on every case filed.

Mr. West, You know, I don't really, I guess there's nothing I can do about it, but I don't really agree with circumventing the system using this money to…

Ms. Brewer, It's not circumventing the system, its…

Mr. West, Why isn't it? We laid two people off and you hired them back.
Ms. Brewer, No, these are people I had there. This perpetuation fund is strictly designed for the maintaining and upkeep of records and these are records people.

Ms. Martin, The Recorder's office did the same thing.

Ms. Brewer, Yes.

Mr. West, I know that and…

Ms. Brewer, That's what the law calls for it to be used for…

Mr. West, And I don't agree with it.

Ms. Brewer, For the upkeep and maintaining of records.

Mr. West, You couldn't put that money in the general fund then?

Ms. Brewer, No.

Mr. West, If you wanted to?

Ms. Brewer, No, not according to the law I can't.

Ms. Martin, You can't co-mingle the funds.

Ms. Stroud, No, you can't co-mingle.

Ms. Martin, They are used specifically for.

Mr. West, Money is money.

Ms. Martin, But you cannot co-mingle the funds. By law they're specifically for records, maintenance only.

Ms. Brewer, That's right.

Ms. Martin, And that's where these two people were, in the records.

Mr. West, I don't agree with this. I don't agree with what was said last night either what the Opera House said. We funded four employees and they got two. That's Katie Hall type politics.

Ms. Stroud, What fund?

Mr. West, They have four employees.

Ms. Martin, They still have four employees, Leon.

Mr. West, But last night they were going to give themselves a raise somewhere. Now I couldn't understand that. You explained it to him…

Ms. Martin, No, they didn't get a raise.

Mr. West, And the lawyer couldn't understand it.

Ms. Martin, Well that's because he doesn't know. They didn't get a raise. They were taken down to the low end because the positions were open. We've done that, your, this year is your fourth year on the Council, right?

Mr. West, Right.

Ms. Martin, We've been doing that for four years. We take them to low end. What happened was, they have two vacancies. They have the director's position and another position. Now the other position is not vacant because she's the interim director, so the director position went down to the low end. The other position went down to the low end and if she goes up to the director position her position goes down to the low end. So that saved over 70, $7,000.

Mr. Ruge, This perpetuation is required by law?

Ms. Brewer, It's a $2 fee, John. It actually went into effect July 1st of 2001.

Ms. Martin, It's a 144, Leon. If you don't agree with it don't vote for it.

Ms. Stroud, You made the motion, didn't you?

Ms. Martin, Yes.

Ms. Stroud, And I think it was seconded. We need a roll call on the 144.

Motion failed on the following roll call vote:

Martin-YesRuge-Yes
Stroud-YesWest-No
Conover-Yes

Ms. Martin, The 144 doesn't pass.

Ms. Stroud, She'll just have to take out the hourly.

Ms. Martin, Well she can leave it in Hourly and come back next year with a different board.

Mr. West, Yes, I'll be gone in two or three months so you can come back.

Ms. Martin, So will I.

Ms. Brewer, What would you like me to do? Would you like me to take out the Hourly?

At this point, Mrs. Knoblock joined the meeting.

Ms. Martin, Just leave it the same it was, because the 144 didn't pass we don't have to make any other.

Ms. Stroud, Yes, take out the Hourly.

Ms. Martin, So the 144 doesn't change, it just needs to be logged.

Ms. Brewer, Fine.

Ms. Stroud, Okay. Since it takes five votes for a 144 to pass the motion failed 4-1. The Clerk has agreed to take out the Hourly. We don't have to change the 144 so the figures won't change in her bottom line. It is going to be the same. So just so we're on the right page here, the Salaries 1110 would be $41,687. FICA, $4,720. 1220 Medical/Life Insurance, $10,372. PERF 1230 would be $1,985 for a total of $17,077. Total on the Personal Services--take off $20,000--it would be $58,764. Correct?

Mrs. Dziabo, Yes.

Ms. Stroud, Office Supplies, $2,000 in 2110. That's all in that line item for 2003. 3130, $2,000. For a bottom total.

Ms. Martin, $62,764.

Ms. Stroud, Thank you. The bottom $62,764. That can't be right, is it?

Ms. Martin, $20,000 off from 82.

Ms. Stroud, Yes, that's right.

Ms. Brewer, It is right, because of the Office Supplies, I'm asking for Office Supplies. I thought I would save the general fund some money and put some office supply record stuff in this fund.
Ms. Stroud, Thank you. Does that come out to $62,764?

Mrs. Dziabo, Correct.

Ms. Stroud, Okay, we need a motion to approve this budget.

Ms. Martin moved to approve the 2003 budget for Clerk Perpetuation, the amount of $62,764. Mrs. Conover seconded, motion carried.

Ms. Stroud, Thank you.

Ms. Brewer, The pleasure is ours.

VOTERS REGISTRATION 01.22

Ms. Stroud, Voters Registration. In Voters Registration there's no change in this budget. Two Board Members…

Ms. Martin, Do you want to go through it or…

Ms. Stroud, I don't think we need to go through each line. I think you have them all, don't you. The totals and everything down here or not? There weren't any changes in it.

Ms. Martin moved to approve the 2003 budget for Voters Registration, the amount of $128,723. Mrs. Conover seconded.

Mr. West, Where's the million dollars for the new stuff?

Mrs. Pecor, It doesn't come out of Voters Registration.

Mr. West, Where does it come from?

Ms. Martin, Your pocket.

Ms. Stroud, Are you talking about over here for the Election Board?

Mr. West, Yes.

Ms. Stroud, Yes, that's where it comes from.

Mr. West, Okay.

Motion carried.

ELECTION BOARD 01.21

Ms. Stroud, For the Election Board, which is your other budget, there are some changes. For all of us, the changes are going to be in Other Personal Services. If you come down to line 1340, there's a reduction from $137,250 down to $83,000. The total there is $122,748 in that line item. Coming on down, Food & Groceries 2230, there is a reduction in that line item from $24,000 to $18,000, for a grand total for Supplies, $131,310. On the next page, Other Services, there weren't any changes. So the total for the line items in there were $5,600, for Total Services & Charges for Section 3, $9,660. Total budget of $263,718.

Ms. Martin, And that's less than the previous year.

Ms. Stroud, $60,250 less than last year.

Mrs. Pecor, The reason it's less is because it's cities and towns.

Ms. Stroud, Right.

Mrs. Pecor, We have fewer precincts. The following year is a countywide election again. It will go back up to basically what it is this year.
Ms. Stroud, So we get a little reprieve here.

Mrs. Pecor, You get a little reprieve for one year.

Ms. Martin moved to approve the 2003 budget for the Election Board, the amount of $263,718. Mr. West seconded, motion carried.

Ms. Stroud, Thank you, ladies.

CORONER 01.07

Ms. Stroud, The Coroner. Good evening.

Martin Moeller, Chief Deputy Coroner Roger has gone to South Bend on an autopsy this afternoon, so.

Ms. Stroud, Thank you very much for coming. In going through your budget I did not