PORTER COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS
REGULAR MEETING
WEDNESDAY, JULY 5, 2006
6:00 P.M.

The regular meeting of the Porter County Board of Commissioners convened at 6:00 p.m. on Wednesday, July 5, 2006, in the Commissioners’ Chambers of the Administration Center.

Those present were: Commissioners Robert Harper, John Evans and Carole Knoblock, County Attorney Gwenn Rinkenberger, Administrative Assistant Melissa Hartig and Recording Secretary Vi Wagner.

President Harper called the meeting to order with the Pledge of Allegiance.

APPROVAL OF PAYROLL

Com. Evans moved to approve the payroll of June 26, 2006, Com. Knoblock seconded, motion carried.

APPROVAL OF CLAIMS

Com. Evans moved to approve the claims of July 5, 2006, Com. Knoblock seconded, motion carried.

AIRPORT AUTHORITY BOARD APPOINTMENT

Com. Harper, “This is a public appointment.”

Com. Evans moved to appoint Howard Strubel to the Airport Authority Board, Com. Knoblock seconded, motion carried.

OFFICE HOLDERS/DEPARTMENT HEADS

Sharon Lippens, ITS Director
Prosecutor’s IV-D and Expo Center Connectivity

Ms. Lippens, “I am here to talk about the connectivity; two separate items, the connectivity between the Expo Center and the county and connectivity between IV-D Prosecutor’s office and the county. Right now the IV-D Prosecutor gets connectivity from the connection that we have with the south county lines which as you are aware, we are having a lot of interference problems and we are in the process of replacing. The way they get connectivity to us is the antenna sends the signal towards south county and there is a little bit of bleed off from the back and that is how IV-D gets their connectivity which is not a good way to do it. Then when you add interference on top of it, it makes it even worse. The solution for south county can’t include IV-D because of where they are located. My recommendation would be to just put a DSL Line in. I did speak with our current wireless vendor that we have dealt with in the past, Midway Electronics, they can re-use the equipment that gets removed from the Highway and the Juvenile Center for the IV-D Prosecutor but that equipment is no longer made, there are no spare parts, so we may putting something in that if it breaks, we are going to replace anyway. We could look at new equipment, there is some new stuff that has been, that Homeland Security has secured a specific frequency range that can only be used by government entities. We have to relay the project to Homeland Security and then you can use that frequency and it is much less expensive than a regular licensed frequency. We could do that for about $3,000.00. A DSL line for either the Expo Center or the IV-D Prosecutor will run about $80.00 a month. With the $3,000.00 cost, which could also be done at Expo, I don’t know whether it will pay for itself in enough time where technology might change and we may want to do something different with them in the near future. So I would probably recommend having a DSL line installed at both those locations for connectivity here. As far as I know, IV-D Prosecutor, phone expenses, etcetera come out of Commissioner budget and Expo pays their own so I don’t know if they would have, um… I know they are paying for internet connections now, but I think they are paying $20.00 a month or something, so that would go up.”

Com. Harper, “Is that considered a phone expense?”

Ms. Lippens, “I think a lot of the departments that pay for their own internet, like the township assessors, they pay for it out of telephone.”

Com. Harper, “I am in favor of your suggestion that we go DSL.”

Ms. Lippens, “A DSL line would be billed through Verizon. I think it would give them consistent connectivity with no possibility of interference and …”

Com. Harper, “How many people do they have working over there?”

Ms. Lippens, “I think IV-D has about 10 or 12 and Expo has 3 pc’s. So I think it makes a lot of sense for Expo, and we have been monitoring the traffic that IV-D generates with their pc’s and we don’t think a DSL line….. they’ll probably see better speed because of the issues with their connectivity now.”

Com. Harper, “I know most of their records are there but they do check court cases but not nearly as much as others.”

Ms. Lippens, “And their connectivity through state for ISETS is also through the county.”

Com. Evans, “Is there a possibility of getting two for one from Verizon installation or a discount? Can we explore that? Do they have a government rate?”

Ms. Lippens, “We can certainly check.”

Com. Evans moved to approve the DSL Line for the Expo Center and IV-D Prosecutor’s office, Com. Knoblock seconded, motion carried.

Security camera discussion

Com. Harper, “The security cameras, are they getting ready to be installed at Portage?”

Ms. Lippens, “Yes, they started last week and they have a few pieces they are waiting to get in and they are going to finish up by the end of next week. And then they will go over to the Juvenile Center and there is only a couple of cameras over there and no recorder. So, I don’t know if you had a chance to see the courthouse, it’s pretty nice.”

Com. Harper, “Do they have the other room set up at the jail now for the arraignments?”

Ms. Lippens, “Yes. That’s over there. They have that room set up; they’ve been getting the bolted down benches and tables ready and it’s almost ready to go.”

Com. Harper, “Anybody else have anything to ask her?”

Com. Evans, “Good job.”

Ms. Lippens, “One other thing with regard to the video conferencing. We’ve had an issue with Judge Thode’s court on the recommendation of Commissioner Evans. They have a space problem of where to locate the unit that does not cause a fire hazard. When the gentleman from Portage Fire Department that met me out there, he made a suggestion which the court personnel felt they wanted, would be to mount it on the wall. And if you are in the courtroom, it is on the right hand side above where they sit at the table. They would like to mount it up on the wall there which would require purchasing a wall bracket and stuff. I looked and it would be under $200.00.”

Com. Evans, “It is strictly logistics in where their fire door in the courtroom and they don’t obviously want to block that for many reasons, but I think more than that it would be more viewable to the whole room if it was mounted where they are talking about.”

Ms. Lippens, “So I am assuming our Maintenance Department could install it if I can get the unit.”

Com. Evans, “I am sure they could. I have every confidence in them.”

Ms. Lippens, “Other than that, they are all getting put in, we’ve got two drops left to install, one in Judge Bradford’s court and one in Judge Harper’s court. We’ve been testing Judge Chidester’s over at the jail and once those other two drops are in, they’ll pretty much be ready to go and hopefully start training. If you have a chance, you might want to check in with security at the courthouse, they have the video and the security system actually turned on and it’s really nice.”

Candy Crone, Westchester Township Assessor
Lease agreement for office space

Com. Harper, “The next thing we have is Candy Crone with a lease agreement for office space.”

Ms. Crone, “Once again, I am here to have our lease renewed. We are in the same location, just renew the lease, an addendum to our lease.”

Com. Evans, “How much did it go up?”

Ms. Crone, “Actually, I think it is only $425.00 a year so basically a minimal amount. I can usually transfer it from other accounts.”

Com. Evans, “You’ve got the money and a great location. It’s very accessible to all the taxpayers.”

Ms. Crone, “Yes, and the size is great, we are very comfortable there.”

Com. Harper, “Has the attorney seen this?”

Atty. Rinkenberger, “Yes.”

Com. Evans moved to approve the lease agreement for Westchester Township Assessor, Com. Knoblock seconded, motion carried.

Shirley LaFever, County Assessor
Contract approval for Assessment Software Solutions

Ms. LaFever, “This is a personal property software package, theirs is not, that I am aware of, two vendors in the state of Indiana has the software. This is okayed by the state to make us state compliant so we had no choice but to purchase software to get to be compliant. In the process, they are putting in 2005 in part time help in my office so we can get the 2005 also compliant. This is the same software that Center Township has been using for two years. The same vendor. So, now I purchased it for the eleven other townships and this will be for the county assessors to do information at their offices and it automatically rolls to the county to Data Processing, then we roll the information to the Auditor’s Office. We no longer post by hand, it’s an automatic roll.”

Com. Evans, “Whose money are you spending?”

Ms. LaFever, “I am taking this out of Sales Disclosure Account. It’s our tax dollars, the sales disclosure fee.”

Atty. Rinkenberger, “The total amount of the contract is $74,500.00 paid in two installments and Shirley and Sharon and I sat down and went over the terms of the contract and had some changes that everyone wanted and we got a new contract with all the changes in it that we requested. Some of them are addressing service and maintenance that Sharon was concerned with. The service and maintenance agreement, the cost was high and they lowered it to the amount we requested. So, it appears as if the contract is good to go.”

Com. Evans, “If it’s okay by you, it’s okay by me.”

Com. Evans moved to approve the contract, Com. Knoblock seconded, motion carried.

Com. Harper, “Do you need something signed tonight?”

Ms. LaFever, “He is going to send me the original in the mail because he faxed this up here this morning with the changes on it so we will get the original and I will bring it down to Gwenn.”

Atty. Rinkenberger, “If you want, just so it doesn’t get lost in the shuffle, sign the fax copy so we at least have something of record and then we can get your signatures on the original.”

Ms. LaFever, “Thank you.”

House Enrolled Act involving dog kennels

Com. Harper, “The other thing I would mention is Commissioner Evans got a letter from Representative Ayers that we made part of this packet. There was a House Enrolled Act involving dog kennels and I think this is in response to that situation, that dog fight situation, over in Lake County, in Gary, which requires inspection of a major kennel by either the county animal control department or any agency authorized by the county executive. The standards are at the discretion of the county ordinance and an application fee can be charged so it sounds to me like it is going to be required, this inspection is required. The standards that the county has been left leeway in the standards and the county can charge an inspection fee which I think is fair. If everybody else feels this way I think we should ask Gwenn to take a look at this and maybe make some suggestions on what we need to do as far as this is concerned.”

Atty. Rinkenberger, “Sandy Ogle gave me a call on it and I suggested just because the Animal Shelter has an advisory board that Matt Soliday and her sit down and make suggestions to the advisory board and then refer them to us. That would be the proper protocol.”

Com. Evans, “The statute gives us, the Commissioners, the choice to either put it with the Animal Welfare Board or the approve it at the Health Department and I think it would belong to the Animal Welfare Board because that is what they do. The Health Department is truly overburdened with all the other actions they do.”

Atty. Rinkenberger, “So, I can work with Matt Soliday and Sandy to get or amend the animal control ordinance to include this and get the fee.”

Com. Evans, “It’s not going to be used that many times because it is going to apply to people that the board has managed to make a profit and have a quantity number specific and will have to be maintained….”

Atty. Rinkenberger, “Are you sure it just says the County Animal Control Department or an agency authorized by the county executive?”

Com. Evans, “The Health Department is the only other agency that we could do… maybe the County Council? No I guess that wouldn’t work.”

Atty. Rinkenberger, “There’s not too many options there.”

Com. Harper, “Okay, so you will get a hold of Matt?”

Atty. Rinkenberger, “Yes. I will send him a letter.”

Susan Larsen, Center Township Assessor
Contract for appraisal services

Com. Harper, “The next thing we have is John Thorstad. Is John here?”

Atty. Rinkenberger, “Do you have it written in for Susan Larsen to be here on a contract?”

Com. Harper, “No.”

Atty. Rinkenberger, “She just brought it down. She can talk a little bit about it but it is a contract with Dashler Appraisal Services to provide Center Township Assessors with advice for general assessment purposes for properties that as a standard per diem rate of $400.00 per day plus expenses. I have reviewed all the other terms of the contract and they are fine. There’s some time frames in there that concerned me but as long as she has the money and the time, date line set out, we’ll okay the contract and the all the terms of it.”

Susan Larsen, “I’m sorry again for getting this to you so late. I got it about 3:00 this afternoon. He started up a new business, he had prior work that was a lot of things at Manatron and I have been familiar with him probably for ten years. As far as he has come in and helped me do my commercial assessment. He’s very good, very thorough and he has since left Manatron and is starting his own business and he had to get a lot of things ironed out with the state and everything. This is currently, I believe, being approved, he is getting a signed copy from the state because we have to do that now in any type of work which is why there’s all these stipulations in here. He is very capable and I am very confident of his work and I don’t have the time or the staff to do it myself so I would rely on him. I do have the money and I told him how much I have so stop, so he won’t go any further than that.”

Com. Evans, “Do you still have a contract with Manatron?”

Ms. Larsen, “No, I never had one. I have used Manatron in the past once or twice but that is only for the field work for a certain amount of time and since we don’t have Manatron anymore I haven’t used them.”

Com. Evans, “Is any other township using this individual?”

Ms. Larsen, “No, because again, he is new. I think Westchester was going to but then because he was having trouble getting, well, not trouble, but just the time it took to get everything in line with the state, then he did, and I waited for him. I think it will take him probably five or six days to do my stuff. That’s what I am anticipating and I have 43 different properties to do, so I waited for him because I feel its worth it.”

Com. Evans, “These are appeal properties?”

Ms. Larsen, “No, these are new construction. It will be new construction, commercial properties only.”

Com. Evans, “I am not trying to be a wisenheimer but a lot of people tell me that anything that that is the job the assessor is elected to do.”

Ms. Larsen, “Well, if I had more employees, I would. I had thousands of appeals, I have to run an office, I can’t do everything. As much as I would like to, I can’t do it. Somebody’s got to be there for the day to day operations and that would be me. I make the decision, I can’t be out assessing a property and measuring it and . . .”

Com. Evans, “But new construction is something that occurs all the time.”

Ms. Larsen, “I have a field person that does my new construction, one of my deputies does it, she does all of Center Township. We sent out probably 1,200 to 1,500 new houses and properties every year. Now I have a deputy that does that for me.”

Com. Evans, “And this person is going to do what in that regard?”

Ms. Larsen, “This person is going to do the commercial. Commercial is a little more complicated. There is a lot more things to consider. There’s a bunch of different models that we have to decide what to use for what and you don’t want your stuff appealed once you do it. So you want somebody that is capable, giving you the correct information because when it comes in then we put it in the computer.”

Com. Evans, “Will he do the personal property side as well?”

Ms. Larsen, “The personal property is another thing all together. That would be, you know, I have over 2,500 businesses and it takes us, we have 22 books full, we have thick books, full of personal property. That is something totally separate. That is a self reporting tax and I have one girl that does all of that. So, now we have the trending going in, we’re having to take all of our neighborhoods and make sure that our assessed value is within 15% of what they should be. We just got a whole lot ahead of us. I don’t have time to be everywhere and I am still doing appeals. I have to figure income approach on many of the apartments. I have to go over the information given to me and see if this value, even though it sold for $10 million, maybe the income only supports $6 million, I have to go through and do those. I can’t do those and go out and do field work and go out and do field work on houses. There’s just not enough time.”

Com. Evans, “Where’s the money coming from?”

Ms. Larsen, “It’s in my contractual. I have $4,000.00 allotted for this purpose. Now I have done this because I had to do it last year by myself and I did do it on my days off and on weekends.”

Com. Harper, “Carole, do you have any questions?”

Com. Knoblock, “No.”

Com. Evans moved to approve the contract, Com. Knoblock seconded, motion carried.

COMMISSIONERS’ REPORTS

North District:

1. Gilbert Subdivision Road Agreement, located on the northwest corner of CR 400 East and CR 500 North. Offer to contribute $750.00/lot for a total of $750.00. Owner and subdivider is Larue C. Gilbert. Recommend approval.

Com. Evans moved to approve, Com. Knoblock seconded, motion carried.

Center District:

1. Beauty Creek Villa Homes Subdivision, Performance Letter of Credit #ML7290 LC from Peoples Bank in the amount of $399,000.00. New expiration date is June 15, 2007. Recommend approval.

Com. Harper moved to approve, Com. Evans seconded, motion carried.

South District:

1. Holder Estates Subdivision, Performance Letter of Credit #294082 from American Contractors Indemnity Company, in the amount of $19,500.00. Recommend approval.

Com. Knoblock moved to approve, Com. Evans seconded, motion carried.

2. There is a small amount of temporary and permanent right of way needed for guard rail at Bridge 58, Baums Bridge Road over the Kankankee River. The guard rail will be expanded slightly with the rehabilitation of this bridge. The offers will correspond to INDOT guidelines for minimum offers. The property is as follows:

Parcel 1- Southeast bridge corner, 0.011 acre permanent easement, 0.019 acre temporary right of way

Parcel 2-Southwest bridge corner, 0.004 acre permanent easement, 0.005 acre temporary right of way

Parcel 3- Northwest bridge corner, 0.017 acre permanent easement, 0.013 acre temporary right of way

Parcel 4- Northeast bridge corner, 0.011 acre temporary right of way

Com. Knoblock, “There should be a Fred here tonight. He’ll be bringing these documents up.”

Com. Evans moved to approve, Com. Knoblock seconded, motion carried.

CORRESPONDENCE

Weights and Measurers monthly report for June 2006 is on file.
Weights and Measures annual report from June 16, 2005 to June 16, 2006 is on file.
Clerk’s monthly report for May 2006 is on file.

CIRCUIT BREAKER TAX CREDIT DISCUSSION

Com. Harper, “I talked about this a little last time. We had a further letter from Umbaugh, correct?”

Atty. Rinkenberger, “Yes, but I don’t think we really have it ready for discussion. I think we should wait until he does a follow up like he told us he would. He sent the Auditor a letter on May 26, 2006.”

Com Harper, “Where’s that letter, Gwenn?”

Atty. Rinkenberger, “It’s under Tab 3. It doesn’t really say there is a charge for doing what he is doing but I don’t think…. It says talk to your attorney, but I don’t think I can give an opinion on whether we should do what he suggested until he gives us that report he’s working on right now. It’s a disclosure issue. It says, so therefore we are recommending that you contact your attorney including bond counsel, which is Ice Miller, for some of these bonds that we are ….”

Com. Harper, “Where do you see that?”

Atty. Rinkenberger, “Second page.”

Com. Harper, “Oh, I see.”

Atty. Rinkenberger, “To discuss whether you are obligated to make a disclosure filing with either the NSRB or the NRSSIR. So this is going to take some conversation between Umbaugh and myself and apparently, Ice Miller. I think it might be premature.”

Com. Harper, “Well, if anybody… this letter and the attachments are public record. If anyone is interested in it, and I ask, there’s a couple things going on in this Circuit Breaker. Number one, is Umbaugh is doing a study which I though they were going to have ready, but apparently they don’t. They said they would have it ready for us as soon as they can get it ready, and I assume it is going to show percentage wise, how that Circuit Breaker… and more than percentage wise, because percentage wise is dollar wise, how it may affect every governmental unit in Porter County. They don’t have to do it yet because the law has not gone into effect for a couple of years unless the Council specifically passes it, however; they are doing it because they feel the Circuit Breaker does not grandfather in existing debt and that they may have, the governmental agencies may have obligations as far as bonds and future activities that they are involved with even before the Circuit Breaker comes into effect. So, I was hoping they would have that document ready and I think he said sometime the first week of July. And that they are apparently doing for every county in the state of Indiana because they represent so many governmental units as bond counsel. So, they are doing that and there are a lot of unanswered questions about the law and this is correspondence is just addressing some of those things so if anyone wants to take a look at it, but really, we haven’t gotten the hard core figures and answers yet they told us they would get us. Carole, do you want to add anything to that?”

Com. Knoblock, “No.”

Com. Harper, “John? I don’t think we need to take any action on that. I really don’t.”

Atty. Rinkenberger, “I think it is premature.”

Com. Harper, “John, do you have anything?”

Com. Evans, “No, I think it’s a little bit too premature to say anything, to really have a good handle on that. I hope they get back to us soon.”

WINDOW CLEANING SERVICES DISCUSSION

Com. Harper, “Who is going to discuss this?”

Atty. Rinkenberger, “Well, it was my idea just because these windows look so crappy and we didn’t have them cleaned for five years so I told Charlotte why don’t you just get a proposal so we can these windows cleaned at least annually or bi-annually, outside and inside. So that is what it looks like she did, she did it for the, well, from Aloha gave us one. One is for this building, 155 Indiana Avenue and it says they’ll wash all exterior clear glass windows for $875.00 and we’re thinking if we do it more frequently, we won’t have to pay as much to have it done because when you wait five years, that stuff leaks down and gets imbedded in the windows then they have to scour it.”

Com. Knoblock, “I thought they were supposed to do something with the building so that it wouldn’t run and make that…..”

Atty. Rinkenberger, “No, they caulked it up so it didn’t leak but they never ..”

Com. Knoblock, “They did put a sealer on?”

Atty. Rinkenberger, “Well, I think it was somebody put a sealer on it years ago that caused it to begin with, quite frankly, I think when this building was constructed they put a sealer on the stone and it leaked down. But what we have, I can’t remember the name of the people that came, they came and re-did all of the caulk and all of the black fiber under the windows from having leaks, but still we get rain and there’s a chemical on our limestone that leaks down into the window that makes them dirty and if we don’t wash them regularly, it gets etched into the glass and then it costs a fortune to have somebody use a special substance to wipe it out. So she got these and they are not half bad. Right here we could have our windows cleaned here for $875.00 annually and they will do the outside for $875.00 and the inside for $400.00. Then they said they will pressure wash the limestone on the garage for $2,295.00. Then they gave us a proposal to do the courthouse to wash all exterior clear glass windows for $500.00. I find that hard to believe.”

Com. Evans, “Yeah, because the first quote is from this Alumitech and they put their price to wash this building at $900.00 which is pretty much in line with the $875.00. But their price to do the courthouse is $4,150.00.”

Com. Harper, “Okay, but then, okay, never mind. I thought they didn’t say the inside service. But they did.”

Atty. Rinkenberger, “To me it just makes more sense and it is cheaper if we have our windows washed every year instead of waiting until it builds up and builds up and it costs thousands of dollars to have our windows done.”

Com. Harper, “I think you are right, but I would like to have a chance to at least talk to Charlotte about this.”

Com. Evans, “Yes, why the a big difference.”

Com. Harper, “It’s such a wide …..”

Atty. Rinkenberger, “Because that is the type of annual maintenance that we should do.”

Com. Harper, “I think we should do it. Is it all right with everybody else. Hold off for two weeks until we talk to them?”

Atty. Rinkenberger, “We just got them cleaned so they are clean.”

Com. Knoblock, “I thought they were going to put some type of sealer on the walls outside.”

Atty. Rinkenberger, “I think it’s the sealer that is making them stain.”

Com. Knoblock, “Charlotte said it was an inside sealer that they put on and it should have been an outside exterior. So that is probably why it isn’t working.”

Com. Evans, “Didn’t Dave Schelling, and I think the recommendation that he got was that we put nothing on.”

Atty. Rinkenberger, “Right. We put nothing on it, and whatever they put on to begin with was what they were supposed to. We got off the issue of what’s dripping down and staining our windows and went to why the building is cracking and we replaced all the caulk and all the leaks. We have never been able to determine what it is about this building that results in smears down the windows. But it happened but if we clean them, then it doesn’t.”

Com. Harper, “Well, let’s put it off for a couple of weeks and give us chance to see, and I would even like to talk to Schelling again, if it’s all right with everyone.”

Atty. Rinkenberger, “Well, I’ve got a file on it, we can always refresh our memory.”

Com. Harper, “All right. Any other matters? We also have a request from the Zona board for more members. I would like to take that under advisement until I have had the chance to, since we just got that letter. Does anybody have anything else? John?”




POLITICAL SIGNS ORDINANCE DISCUSSION

Com. Evans, “I have one thing. I would like to propose a motion that we modify our existing sign ordinance in regard to political signs. I have had several people tell me that they think it is offensive that we allow signs to go up 60 days before an election and it’s something that doesn’t really make the landscape any prettier. So, I would like to propose that we put the county ordinance in line with most of the municipalities and make the ordinance say 30 days prior to the election of any primary or general election and then we continue with the ten day period to take them down after the election.”

Com. Harper, “I don’t have a problem with that but I would rather us wait until next meeting and give Gwenn a chance to research that because I know they have run into a snag with Valparaiso but I am not sure what.”

Atty. Rinkenberger, “Honestly, John has been trying to do this for years and it is something that really needs to start at the Plan Commission level because they are an advisory board and it’s an ordinance from the Plan Commission. So, we have asked, and I think we have made a formal request.”

Com. Evans, “Well, we write the ordinances so this is where it has to be decided.”

Atty. Rinkenberger, “Right, it has to be decided here, but it’s like with the animal control, we tell them that is what we would like to do and then really, we should get an ordinance that comes to us from the Plan Commission with the language in it that we approve.”

Com. Harper, “What’s Valpo’s ordinance?”

Atty. Rinkenberger, “I don’t think they have one.”

Com. Harper, “Oh, yeah, they…”

Com. Evans, “Their ordinances, I think, are a bit more restrictive in that it requires a bond. It also only permits two signs on any one property. Beyond that….”

Com. Harper, “When they ran the generals in the paper, they ran into a …..”

Com. Evans, “I don’t think that pertained to political signs, I think it’s in regard to some of their temporary signs for …”

Com. Harper, “I have no problem, and I think we should all be the same and I agree with you. Can we just put it off to the next meeting and have Gwenn check it and see what the problem was?”

Atty. Rinkenberger, “I will see what the problem was with the city and I’ll see what the problem was in not changing ours when we asked it a year ago.”

Com. Harper, “They ran into some specific problem in Valparaiso. Could you just check it?”

Atty. Rinkenberger, “Be still my heart.”

Com. Harper, “I am going to get into trouble.”

Atty. Rinkenberger, “Yes, you are.”

Com. Harper, “I am not suggesting that you go to their opinion…”

Atty. Rinkenberger, “I can give my own opinions. I can give the same legal opinion as Attorney Hollenbeck.”

Com. Harper, “Could you see what the problem was?”

Com. Knoblock moved to recess, Com. Evans seconded, motion carried.

BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS
PORTER COUNTY, INDIANA


Robert P. Harper
John A. Evans
Carole M. Knoblock


Attest: Sandra K. Vuko, Auditor